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[Albion] Dan Ashworth?
- Thread starter Seagull122
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And he has failed to deliver Brexit. Fact.
Medwayseagull
JCB
As opposed to being an amateur waffler like yourself ?
Bwian
Kiss my (_!_)
- Jul 14, 2003
- 15,898
Wasn't that what Poyet was trying to do here before his ego got the better of him? I'm sure he said that he wanted all players ready to step up to the next level by training the same way.
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That’s a mighty big assumption there. One that’s not true. I am pointing out, as others have done, that by his own definition, he’s a failure.
What do I think? I think that Tony knew that there would be internal ructions when he appointed him - there nearly always are when a Technical Director is appointed for the first time. Hughton has gone - he was “manager”, Potter is “Head Coach” - this change is not semantics. I think that Tony decided to pin his colours to the Ashworth mast when he appointed him, and that Hughton’s days were numbered.
With Potter bringing his recruitment man, and Ashworth (a specific part of his remit is recruitment) his boss, I think Winstanley’s days are numbered.
Do I think Ashworth should be fired? No idea. Do I think that he played an instrumental role in Hughton going? Yes - probably indirectly, possibly directly. Do I think he was a fool to make the assertion he did that I referred to? Either yes, or it was a calculated decision to say it. I rather hope he was foolish.
Indeed maybe he made that very statement as replacing CH was already being talked about when he was appointed?
On the Monday Night Club (discussed here) last night, there seemed to be agreement that as soon as Ashworth came in then Hughton's days were numbered as Ashworth would want a younger more progressive manager/coach.
If that were the case Mr Hughton seemingly did very little to change that mindset.
If anything he sped up the process by picking an aging Championship side to 'fight' (defend) their way to Premier League survival.
I Have worked for several companies over the years, one, in Brighton was over 100 years old, where exactly this has happened, and the whole process kills a company, and in a small part, a community. Hence my distrust of 'consultants' they're usually employed to maximise profit and asset strip.
DA's position is clearly different, I'm sure he has good communication skills, a bursting contacts book, and offers a buffer between manager and TB. Thus far however, he was either lying about CH or things haven't quite gone as he thought.
DA's position is clearly different, I'm sure he has good communication skills, a bursting contacts book, and offers a buffer between manager and TB. Thus far however, he was either lying about CH or things haven't quite gone as he thought.
That's an assumption though and I'm just offering up an alternative viewpoint: maybe Ashworth was appointed as Hughton was always going to be moved on by Bloom. Rather than blaming Ashworth for Hughton's departure it would seem his appointment could be seen as evidence of Bloom's long term plans to transform the club. Why else would Bloom bring in someone that wants a younger more progressive manager/coach when we have Hughton who obviously wouldn't fit with that?
Yes, I agree. Even if he knew his days were numbered, he did little to change the mindset. Sometimes however people facing what they perceive as insurmountable odds become ever more cautious (or perhaps he just thought that was the best way of achieving his goal). Sometimes they give up - witness the Watford players after the fifth went in - they just wanted the whistle blown.
Bwian
Kiss my (_!_)
- Jul 14, 2003
- 15,898
There are a couple of things to consider in your last paragraph: When Ashworth was appointed we looked to be well clear of the relegation dogfight and Hughton had a very good reputation and is well respected throughout football. At the time he probably meant what he said thinking that only a few minor tweaks were needed. Things clearly didn't go as he initially thought they would.
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Ashworth started end Feb I believe. Our run at that time since Xmas was DWDWLLDLDWLWL
Almost all of those Wins were in the FA Cup.
blue-shifted
Banned
I'm unclear as the structure of the club. Does Potter and previously Hughton report into Ashworth? Does Winstanley report into the manager or are they on the same level? Is Barber Ashworth and Potters boss?
Those inverted commas are hugely misguided. He achieved massive success at national level.
Some further reading:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...ss-young-lions-incredible-year-at-youth-level
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/25/dan-ashworth-fa-technical-director-brighton-talks
darkwolf666
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When he joined us in February, he said his job was “to help the first team manager stay in a job as long as possible”. Given that Hughton lasted about 10 (12?) weeks after he joined, and given that Ashworth retains the approval of Tony today, can we conclude that the first team manager/coach bring changed fewer than five times a year constitutes success?
His role is to keep the first team manager in a job as long as possible, unfortunately Chris wasn't that first team manager they wanted to keep for as long as possible. The speed we went in for Potter clearly indicates that moves were afoot long before the Ides of March.
Bwian
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- Jul 14, 2003
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Take out the cup run and we really were quite awful.
I thought Ashworth was at the club after the announcement was made but not in an official capacity until his official start date?
Perhaps I need more tonic with my gin?
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Anyone thinking Ashworth had nothing to do with CH's departure in my opinion is deluded, it was crystal clear, a rift had occurred and Bloom backed Ashworth, time will tell..
Why did Bloom hire Ashworth in the first place? It was last summer we gave him the job - but he did not start until Feb/March?