[Politics] Mark Field

Eeyore · Jun 21, 2019

Mouldy Boots said:
Have you ever heard of fight or flight?

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-fight-or-flight-response-2795194

I have always had the fight response when threatened its nature, she knew the risks and should have understood, she could have got hurt, she didn't, so she was lucky.

Mark Field should be a hero, the man/woman thing really doesn't come into the equation.

Okay, I'll take this one.

Being someone with acute GAD I'm familiar with 'fight or flight'. Your analogy is, at best, wide of the mark. I'm being polite.

Fight or flight, as is shown, is a response to a threat that causes extreme panic or anxiety. It rarely involves physical response. If it does it would involve one that was defensive. Think a fox being attacked by a hound.

A person who flights would be extracting themselves from a situation (such as leaving a football match because the tightly packed crowd is causing an anxious reaction). They may choose to fight by staying and trying to calm themselves through various relaxation techniques until the feeling subsides. Full on confrontation of an aggressor doesn't fit the remit- let alone becoming the aggressor.

In a fight or flight scenario the person who perceived the threat would have taken a defensive posture. What we see here is an attacking response that is, perhaps, disproportionate. Even the people around Mark Field look a little shocked.

Springal · Jun 21, 2019

sheebo said:
Not sure how her gender is at all relevant - but it’s been jumped on by feminists on social media...

Of course it is. He would not have done the same thing to a man because he is a bully

A1X · Jun 21, 2019

Diablo said:
This woman was invading a private dinner with the intention of disruption at the very least. Assault is a bit OTT..he got hold of her and escorted her out of the room. Well done him !!

Why does the fact that he`s a "senior politician" have anything to do with it ? It seems most like to politicise everything these days !!

Like I said, worrying how some people seem to have no problem with a senior politician assaulting an unarmed woman.

The Clamp · Jun 21, 2019

The male / female dynamic is important.
A male restraining or detaining a female, unless weapons are clearly and visibly involved or the threat of a weapon is made , which clearly is not the case here, gender is a deciding factor on what level of force is used. It’s nit feminism. It’s common sense.
In the same way I wouldn’t detain a 12 year old male with the same methods I’d use on a forty year old male.

Pavilionaire · Jun 21, 2019

This caps off a stellar week of Tory kvntish behaviour.

B-right-on · Jun 21, 2019

A1X said:
Like I said, worrying how some people seem to have no problem with a senior politician assaulting an unarmed woman.

That's the point. Now we know she was but at the time we didn't. How do we know that she was taking Jo Brands advice and had battery acid on her.

Diablo · Jun 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
The male / female dynamic is important.
.

When it suits yes......however these days male/female dynamic seems to be somewhat blurred .

Nathan · Jun 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
I’d say it was very forceful push. A slam. She even bounces slightly.

I disagree. Having watched it yet again, I wouldn't call that a slam. He pushes her, but wouldn't even say that was very forceful. What he did was wrong. Easy for things to be exaggerated and taken as fact.

B-right-on · Jun 21, 2019

The Clamp said:
The male / female dynamic is important.
A male restraining or detaining a female, unless weapons are clearly and visibly involved or the threat of a weapon is made , which clearly is not the case here, gender is a deciding factor on what level of force is used. It’s nit feminism. It’s common sense.
In the same way I wouldn’t detain a 12 year old male with the same methods I’d use on a forty year old male.

Because a woman can't pose a threat? Al Qaeda has taken advantage of this attitude for years.

Sheebo · Jun 21, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Sorry Sheebo, but I have seen many, many men denouncing it too. I am no feminist.

Wasn’t saying that - it was just something I noticed. An opinion on it is fine - I can see why people may say it’s a bit heavy handed, but the sex of her shouldn’t come into it. My point was more that social media etc has made it a much bigger deal than it should have been, and if it was a male protester it wouldn’t have got half the publicity...

Thunder Bolt · Jun 21, 2019

sheebo said:
Wasn’t saying that - it was just something I noticed. An opinion on it is fine - I can see why people may say it’s a bit heavy handed, but the sex of her shouldn’t come into it. My point was more that social media etc has made it a much bigger deal than it should have been, and if it was a male protester it wouldn’t have got half the publicity...

I disagree. There was loads of publicity when a bloke threw an egg at John Prescott, who turned round and thumped him.

Sheebo · Jun 21, 2019

Springal said:
Of course it is. He would not have done the same thing to a man because he is a bully

You don’t know that - you’re guessing. The only possible point to make on gender meaning anything is women are scientifically weaker than men - on the whole. And even that’s a generalisation - she was in the wrong and was trying to ruin things and got chucked out - I’ve seen a lot worse from police to women - what would they have done I wonder...?

Ps - I assume you know the man to call him a bully or have a political agenda? I’d never heard of him and hate Tory policies fwiw - but don’t know much about it. If you’re calling him a bully from that 30second clip that’s madness...

The Clamp · Jun 21, 2019

Diablo said:
When it suits yes......however these days male/female dynamic seems to be somewhat blurred .

Really not much point debating with you if your starting point is borrowed off Bernard Manning.

Deadly Danson · Jun 21, 2019

Diablo said:
When it suits yes......however these days male/female dynamic seems to be somewhat blurred .

As I said earlier, I don't think the incident should be blown out of proportion but are you seriously saying you don't watch that video and think at the very least "Blimey that's a bit strong" and that it's, at best, an overreaction? Because it's really not acceptable behaviour even if you take into account the circumstances.

Sheebo · Jun 21, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
I disagree. There was loads of publicity when a bloke threw an egg at John Prescott, who turned round and thumped him.

Can’t compare those 2 imo. A punch is a bit different from a frog-March!!!!

The Clamp · Jun 21, 2019

B-right-on said:
Because a woman can't pose a threat? Al Qaeda has taken advantage of this attitude for years.

Go back and read my post again. Carefully.

Thunder Bolt · Jun 21, 2019

Pavilionaire said:
This caps off a stellar week of Tory kvntish behaviour.

One suspended, one recalled causing a by-election, and a third one having to apologise for her description of homeless people.
The nasty party indeed.

Thunder Bolt · Jun 21, 2019

sheebo said:
Can’t compare those 2 imo. A punch is a bit different from a frog-March!!!!

Frog marching someone does not entail grabbing their neck, after slamming them into a pillar.

frogmarch
/ˈfrɒɡmɑːtʃ/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: frog-marching
force (someone) to walk forward by holding and pinning their arms from behind.

The Clamp · Jun 21, 2019

Nathan said:
I disagree. Having watched it yet again, I wouldn't call that a slam. He pushes her, but wouldn't even say that was very forceful. What he did was wrong. Easy for things to be exaggerated and taken as fact.

I meant to put a question mark after “a slam”, it’s arguable.
But tyatvpush was done with some force. The only reason it looks less so is because she was inches away from the pillar. Has it been a foot further back we’d see the full extent of the force.

Sheebo · Jun 21, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Frog marching someone does not entail grabbing their neck, after slamming them into a pillar.

frogmarch
/ˈfrɒɡmɑːtʃ/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: frog-marching
force (someone) to walk forward by holding and pinning their arms from behind.

It’s a turn of phrase - ok, he escorted the criminal away from somewhere she shouldn’t have been - better? As I’ve used the hyperbole the other way there :lol:

I really really can’t see him slamming her into a pillar - she barely touches the pillar...

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