[Politics] Next Prime Minister

vegster · May 27, 2019

bha100 said:
Hammond won't be Chancellor when a new leader is installed, so he won't be a cabinet minister voting against against his leader

This. Whoever gets elected will have to have the support of a number of the losers of the leadership race in order to make it to the last two, that support comes at the cost of giving the top ministries over to your chums or whoever has thrown their weight ( and their supporters) behind the eventual incumbent.

Edit : also being associated with the Old Guard will mean his immediate ejection from any new Cabinet.

Tom Hark Preston Park · May 27, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You honestly think someone will mount a leadership challenge? And will win? Absolutely no chance, sadly.

Why? Currently showing on the front page of BBC teletext or whatever they're calling it today is the banner headline 'Corbyn non-commital on another referendum'. Can't even be arzed to click on it. Bloke's a time-waster waste of space. Doubt he even knows himself what he's supposed to believe in. Sooner he goes, along with his focus group cronies, sooner Labour can start to regain a modicum of credibility where it matters.

Gwylan · May 27, 2019

bha100 said:
Hammond won't be Chancellor when a new leader is installed, so he won't be a cabinet minister voting against against his leader

I'm not sure what your point is. Firstly, he's a cabinet minister now and that's what significant. But the main thing is that a vote against a PM, is a vote against the PM - it doesn't matter whether it's a minister or a backbencher.

When you consider that it just needs six Tories to vote against the government to defeat it, a PM doesn't really want to antagonise the troops.

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 27, 2019

Tom Hark said:
Why? Currently showing on the front page of BBC teletext or whatever they're calling it today is the banner headline 'Corbyn non-commital on another referendum'. Can't even be arzed to click on it. Bloke's a time-waster waste of space. Doubt he even knows himself what he's supposed to believe in. Sooner he goes, along with his focus group cronies, sooner Labour can start to regain a modicum of credibility where it matters.

You know that. I know that.
Just because we want it to happen doesn't mean it will happen.
So what is the mechanism to get rid of him? Here it is:

To stand, candidates need to be nominated by at least 15% of the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP), i.e. around 35 MPs. Following the Collins review, the electoral college was replaced by a pure "one member, one vote" (OMOV) system. Candidates are elected by members and registered and affiliated supporters, who all receive a maximum of one vote and all votes are weighted equally. This means that, for example, members of Labour-affiliated trade unions needed to register as Labour supporters to vote. The Labour Party most recently reported that about 552,000 members and supporters were eligible to vote; about 292,000 full members, 148,000 affiliated supporters (members of trade unions and socialist societies who opted to affiliate), plus 112,000 registered supporters.

I can't see the rank and file, 251,417 of who supported Corbyn in the past, switching allegiance. The rank and file love him, just as the tory rank and file love Boris the Liar.

If I turn out to be wrong any time soon I will rejoice.

Weststander · May 27, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You honestly think someone will mount a leadership challenge? And will win? Absolutely no chance, sadly.

This.

The Labour system of handing selection to Momentum and their like minded new members of the Labour Party, means they will always vote for their idol Corbyn or his chosen successor.

The centre and liberal-minded Labour MP’s haven’t a hope.

Resulting in the record low poll ratings and election results for HM opposition, when judged by the entire British population.

bha100 · May 27, 2019

Gwylan said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Firstly, he's a cabinet minister now and that's what significant. But the main thing is that a vote against a PM, is a vote against the PM - it doesn't matter whether it's a minister or a backbencher.

When you consider that it just needs six Tories to vote against the government to defeat it, a PM doesn't really want to antagonise the troops.

Hammond speaks out now because the Maybot is a dead duck and he knows he will be gone as chancellor as soon as a new leader is in place, that's why from here on in whatever he says is just tittle tattle.

WATFORD zero · May 27, 2019

Just got in from dinner and it appears there's a nuanced, informative and mature discussion going on. Good luck with that, and I'm sure it will have disappeared by the time I sober up :thumbsup:

Weststander · May 27, 2019

Tom Hark said:
Why? Currently showing on the front page of BBC teletext or whatever they're calling it today is the banner headline 'Corbyn non-commital on another referendum'. Can't even be arzed to click on it. Bloke's a time-waster waste of space. Doubt he even knows himself what he's supposed to believe in. Sooner he goes, along with his focus group cronies, sooner Labour can start to regain a modicum of credibility where it matters.

Corbyn really is a career long opponent of the EU, for the reasons he’s made abundantly plain in that time. Along with his true friends and close advisors (not McDonnell, Watson, Thornberry and Starmer who’ll say anything to get their hands on no 10).

To go against that now by jumping on the all out Remain bandwagon, would betray his conviction and union movement friends.

Trevor · May 27, 2019

WATFORD zero said:
Just got in from dinner and it appears there's a nuanced, informative and mature discussion going on. Good luck with that, and I'm sure it will have disappeared by the time I sober up

Tory leaders eh! It's like twit follows **** follows twit

Hampster Gull · May 27, 2019

Weststander said:
Corbyn really is a career long opponent of the EU, for the reasons he’s made abundantly plain in that time. Along with his true friends and close advisors (not McDonnell, Watson, Thornberry and Starmer who’ll say anything to get their hands on no 10).

To go against that now by jumping on the all out Remain bandwagon, would betray his conviction and union movement friends.

He is a Marxist masquerading as a conviction politician. If we are lucky he is toast, if we are not we have problems

Triggaaar · May 28, 2019

vegster said:
Just pointing out the double standards.

But it's not double standards. As I said, Corbyn isn't attacked for dealing with terrorists while in government.

Sussex Nomad · May 28, 2019

Hampster Gull said:
He is a Marxist masquerading as a conviction politician. If we are lucky he is toast, if we are not we have problems

He's actually not really a politician of any sense whatsoever. He doesn't even do sound bites, he is lost, he's a little pixie in his own world. The only commie in his own party, so long as he has a place in British politics long live his opposition. Michael Foot comes to mind.

Javeaseagull · May 28, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
He's actually not really a politician of any sense whatsoever. He doesn't even do sound bites, he is lost, he's a little pixie in his own world. The only commie in his own party, so long as he has a place in British politics long live his opposition. Michael Foot comes to mind.

The most honest politician of his generation. Jeremy has consistently voted against war whichever party was in power.
He must be absolutely squeaky clean because if there was any dirt the press would have published it by now.
Where is the scandal? Why didn’t he fiddle any expenses? Why isn’t he in the pay of a major Newspaper like his rivals?
What is everyone scared of? Seriously.

Sussex Nomad · May 28, 2019

Javeaseagull said:
The most honest politician of his generation. Jeremy has consistently voted against war whichever party was in power.
He must be absolutely squeaky clean because if there was any dirt the press would have published it by now.
Where is the scandal? Why didn’t he fiddle any expenses? Why isn’t he in the pay of a major Newspaper like his rivals?
What is everyone scared of? Seriously.

Whatever I can't be arsed any more.

Javeaseagull · May 28, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
Whatever I can't be arsed any more.

As someone said, "For evil to prevail good men need do nothing."

vegster · May 28, 2019

Javeaseagull said:
The most honest politician of his generation. Jeremy has consistently voted against war whichever party was in power.
He must be absolutely squeaky clean because if there was any dirt the press would have published it by now.
Where is the scandal? Why didn’t he fiddle any expenses? Why isn’t he in the pay of a major Newspaper like his rivals?
What is everyone scared of? Seriously.

Always makes me laugh when people say they are " terrified " of a Corbyn run government as it would " destroy " the country.... Strangely they meekly accept 10 years of austerity, Universal Credit and underfunded Health and Education under the Tories. The rise of Food Banks in the 5th biggest economy in the world is also just an accepted norm as it's on the Tories watch so it must be ok...

KingKev · May 28, 2019

I think I’d even prefer Boris to Raab tbh....

Gwylan · May 28, 2019

bha100 said:
Hammond speaks out now because the Maybot is a dead duck and he knows he will be gone as chancellor as soon as a new leader is in place, that's why from here on in whatever he says is just tittle tattle.

Maybe so. But he's a conservative Conservative, never rebelled, never said anything to rock the boat. I know a senior party member (a former parliamentary candidate and a big cheese in his branch) and he described his time talking to 'Spreadsheet Phil' as a desperate 15 minutes of his life that he'd never get back.

Hammond talking of such radical notions as voting against a Tory PM is so out of character that it should cause many Tories to pause for thought.

Westdene Seagull · May 28, 2019

Uh_huh_him said:
The idea that anyone apart from Corbyn as Labour leader would win the election is totally naive.

As soon as corbyn's successor is elected the media will be full of the usual "cannot be trusted" rhetoric that accompanies every Labour leader.
There is a reason that the tories stay in power. it has nothing to do with the relative abilities of either party's politicians.

Really ? Remind me which party the longest serving PM was in ?

Gwylan · May 28, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
Really ? Remind me which party the longest serving PM was in ?

Lord Liverpool was a Tory but he's perhaps not the best example to quote. He left a party in a state of disarray - a situation that was set to get worse until stabilised by the arrival of Disraeli.

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