[Politics] Brexit

A1X · Mar 6, 2019

Because some people still regard Brexit as an event rather than a process, here is that process...

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CHAPPERS · Mar 6, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
I struggle to understand the 'no market' excuse. I love lamb, my favourite meat but we rarely buy it because it's so so so expensive. There are thousands of the little blighters on the South Downs yet it is by far and away the most expensive meat. Lower the price and create a market.

Well that's extremely simplistic.

CHAPPERS · Mar 6, 2019

Gwylan said:
What do you mean "a chance"? We knew Brexit was happening three years ago. If I were running a business that I knew was going to disappear in three years, I'd have been looking to reduce existing stock and diversify into something else. It's not something that's happened out of the blue

So the government should have told all lamb farmers that they should sell their land then. They should have been honest. No?

The Clamp · Mar 6, 2019

Gwylan said:
What do you mean "a chance"? We knew Brexit was happening three years ago. If I were running a business that I knew was going to disappear in three years, I'd have been looking to reduce existing stock and diversify into something else. It's not something that's happened out of the blue

Nobody knew what the details would be three years ago. We still don't know in full. Running a farm isn't an easy thing to just shut down either.

Thunder Bolt · Mar 6, 2019

Gwylan said:
What do you mean "a chance"? We knew Brexit was happening three years ago. If I were running a business that I knew was going to disappear in three years, I'd have been looking to reduce existing stock and diversify into something else. It's not something that's happened out of the blue

Maybe the farmer trusted the Tories (yes, I know) to actually sort out deal before 29th March. After all, they've been telling us how easy it would be and we held all the cards!

CHAPPERS · Mar 6, 2019

Easiest trade deal in history >>>>>>>>>>> burn your lambs.

The Clamp · Mar 6, 2019

Stocks of produce are already running low in supermarkets.

A1X · Mar 6, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Maybe the farmer trusted the Tories (yes, I know) to actually sort out deal before 29th March. After all, they've been telling us how easy it would be and we held all the cards!

And indeed Vote Leave explicitly said we wouldn't begin the process of leaving until there was an agreed deal on the table.

Bwian · Mar 6, 2019

Thunder Bolt said:
Maybe the farmer trusted the Tories (yes, I know) to actually sort out deal before 29th March. After all, they've been telling us how easy it would be and we held all the cards!

Don't forget "Everybody wants to deal with us-'Easiest Trade Deals Ever'.

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ManOfSussex · Mar 6, 2019

Gwylan said:
What do you mean "a chance"? We knew Brexit was happening three years ago. If I were running a business that I knew was going to disappear in three years, I'd have been looking to reduce existing stock and diversify into something else. It's not something that's happened out of the blue

You're normally a very good poster, but not for the first time lately your version and recall of events 3 years ago and was actually going on and known then are completely different to the reality. This time 3 years ago that farmer did not know his business would disappear at the end of this month in no deal Brexit flames.

Thunder Bolt · Mar 6, 2019

Liam Fox has cancelled meetings with businesses because of 'leaks'. Businesses haven't got a clue what the Dept of International Trade are doing.

Another business official said the solution to the government’s concern about media leaks should be “to publish as much as information as they can from the start and then they wouldn’t have to worry”.

https://www.ft.com/content/25b1eb3e-3e85-11e9-9bee-efab61506f44

Thunder Bolt · Mar 6, 2019

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Westdene Seagull · Mar 6, 2019

pb21 said:
Its expensive presumably because it is expensive to rear, unless for some reason lamb is sold at a higher profit margin than other meat?

ManOfSussex said:
The Times article also says:

It also reveals this beauty:

A1X said:
Great. I'm sure that the farmer will be able to reduce his costs accordingly.

Geninue question - New Zealand lamb is the same cost as British lamb on the supermarket shelves. Yet the New Zealand farmers have had to ship their lamb half way around the world and still clearly make a profit. So what are British lamb farmers doing that so increases their costs that New Zealand farmers don't do ?

Westdene Seagull · Mar 6, 2019

ManOfSussex said:
This time 3 years ago that farmer did not know his business would disappear at the end of this month in no deal Brexit flames.

But it won't will it ? Well according to [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] it won't.

Gwylan · Mar 6, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
So what are British lamb farmers doing that New Zealand farmers don't do ?

Ripping off customers?

ManOfSussex · Mar 6, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
Geninue question - New Zealand lamb is the same cost as British lamb on the supermarket shelves. Yet the New Zealand farmers have had to ship their lamb half way around the world and still clearly make a profit. So what are British lamb farmers doing that so increases their costs that New Zealand farmers don't do ?

Economies of scale in NZ - it's a huge business.

Weather and climate would be another factor in helping their costs. One issue with the cost on sheep farming here in that regard I do know from personal experience that impacts on a far greater industry than here in the South Downs - We've got lifelong family friends in South Wales who used to farm and still live on one in Gwent. Throughout their time of running it during the winter months hill farmers would bring their livestock down and they would graze on their land during the worst of the winter at low land level outside Cwmbran - and pay a very nice premium to them for the privilege of doing so. Unless they're going to diversify into goats, there's not a lot that can be done up the top of those valleys farm wise other than sheep, hence it's a far bigger business in places like that in Wales and their primary market is export and they have costs to pay.

Springal · Mar 6, 2019

I'm not sure we should be using Supermarkets as some kind of compass on these things.... given how they screw over UK farmers and some pretty shady business practices involved

Stat Brother · Mar 6, 2019

ManOfSussex said:
You're normally a very good poster, but not for the first time lately your version and recall of events 3 years ago and was actually going on and known then are completely different to the reality. This time 3 years ago that farmer did not know his business would disappear at the end of this month in no deal Brexit flames.

If that's the case many farmers wouldn't have voted for Brexit, in the first place.

Thunder Bolt · Mar 6, 2019

Westdene Seagull said:
But it won't will it ? Well according to [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] it won't.

It won't if the government back off No Deal. Trying to score points off other posters isn't doing your argument any good.

CHAPPERS · Mar 6, 2019

The Tories need to start being a bit more ****ing honest with everyone. Corbyn has to turn the screw today, though there's about fifty angles from which you could attack this shambles of a government at the moment.

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