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[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

I am voting for .....

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 95 32.2%

  • Change UK

    Votes: 14 4.7%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 4 1.4%

  • Greens

    Votes: 61 20.7%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 1.0%

  • Labour

    Votes: 11 3.7%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 88 29.8%

  • Socialist Party

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • UK European Party

    Votes: 2 0.7%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • No-one !

    Votes: 15 5.1%
  • Total voters
    295
  • Poll closed .


KZNSeagull

KZNSeagull

Well-known member
Nov 26, 2007
19,823
Wolsingham, County Durham
What is clear from last night is that those parties with a clear Brexit policy, either leave or remain, have done the best - the Brexit Party, Lib Dems, SNP and PC noticably so. Tories and Labour have done badly for different reasons - Tories because no-one likes the May deal and Labour because no-one likes a bunch of dithering fence sitters.

Interestingly, the only person I have heard speak this morning from the Tories, Steve Baker, has a clear plan - go back to the EU and get the FTA deal that the EU offered TM last year. No talk of No deal.

Labour will take months to decide what they may want to do, by then it will be too late. They need to make a clear decision now, today, as to what their policy is and stick to it. They would also do well by getting a new leader asap, one who can actually make a decision (and I don't mean back a 2nd referendum).

Change UK need to formulate some policies sharpish as their new way of doing politics appears, so far, to be "we cannot decide, you must decide for us" which is not going to help anything at all.

But the biggest winner was obviously the 63% who didn't vote who, if the BBC's visit to a Solihull car boot sale is representative of the nation, are made up of "I didn't know it was happening", "I don't understand it", "I voted to leave and they have ignored me so I didn't bother voting this time" and "What's the point?" which is just splendid.
 




beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,313
KZNSeagull said:
But the biggest winner was obviously the 63% who didn't vote who, if the BBC's visit to a Solihull car boot sale is representative of the nation, are made up of "I didn't know it was happening", "I don't understand it", "I voted to leave and they have ignored me so I didn't bother voting this time" and "What's the point?" which is just splendid.
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good point. yet people, pundits and politicans want to decide policy and future direction on the result on ~20% vote. nothing has changed, until parties and politicans make assertive decisions it wont.

Change UK is shown as a gimmick. i heard their leader saying the election came too quickly for them to organise. especially daft when Brexit got their act together in less time.
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Reading back at the predictable reactions from the usual suspects on here we can see that the result doesn't matter because a pro-Brexit party received the largest share of the vote (again). Obviously, if a pro remain party had finished first by a significant margin the same people would have insisted the country had changed its mind and hailed the death of Brexit. Next up, adding all the pro remain (with varying positions) smaller parties vote share to get to a number that beats the Brexit party and UKIP combined share of the vote .... conveniently not including the Conservative party that holds a pro-Brexit position. Labour's position although supposedly committed to delivering a 'Labour' Brexit changes every time McDonnell or any shadow frontbencher appears on tv so hard to put them in either camp. Finally, the few who stink out most threads with their juvenile/trolling contributions screaming 'racists'.

The European elections, the supposed EU showpiece democratic event for voter accountability has once again seen an anti-EU party receive the largest share of the vote returning the biggest block of MEP's. I also note the midlands marginal seats and surprisingly the south-west both had strong Brexit party vote share.
 


H

Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
KZNSeagull said:
What is clear from last night is that those parties with a clear Brexit policy, either leave or remain, have done the best - the Brexit Party, Lib Dems, SNP and PC noticably so. Tories and Labour have done badly for different reasons - Tories because no-one likes the May deal and Labour because no-one likes a bunch of dithering fence sitters.

Interestingly, the only person I have heard speak this morning from the Tories, Steve Baker, has a clear plan - go back to the EU and get the FTA deal that the EU offered TM last year. No talk of No deal.

Labour will take months to decide what they may want to do, by then it will be too late. They need to make a clear decision now, today, as to what their policy is and stick to it. They would also do well by getting a new leader asap, one who can actually make a decision (and I don't mean back a 2nd referendum).

Change UK need to formulate some policies sharpish as their new way of doing politics appears, so far, to be "we cannot decide, you must decide for us" which is not going to help anything at all.

But the biggest winner was obviously the 63% who didn't vote who, if the BBC's visit to a Solihull car boot sale is representative of the nation, are made up of "I didn't know it was happening", "I don't understand it", "I voted to leave and they have ignored me so I didn't bother voting this time" and "What's the point?" which is just splendid.
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The Solihull car boot car interviews were fun and depressing at the same time. When the interviewer asked one woman about Brexit she said he may as well be talking French......
 


Happy Exile

Happy Exile

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Apr 19, 2018
1,869
JC Footy Genius said:
The European elections, the supposed EU showpiece democratic event for voter accountability has once again seen an anti-EU party receive the largest share of the vote returning the biggest block of MEP's.
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These are two different things. At the moment the biggest vote share is for unambiguously anti-Brexit parties. That's different from who has actually won the more seats which is like any other constituency type election. If there was a second referendum as things stand, with this low voter turnout and the same spread, Remain would win...this election has shown nothing except how polarised the country is.

(At the time I'm writing this clear anti-Brexit parties have 5% higher voter share than clear pro-Brexit.)
 




Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,516
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
daveinplzen said:
Most?? He is how I consider most Brexiteers to be fair
Still waiting for one of them to offer some demonstrably proven positives regarding the countries economy and future if the
country leaves without a deal.
So far, all ive been told is we can control our own laws, which we do anyway, and which I also cannot imagine are much different from EU laws.
In order not to pay the EU, what is it? around 180 million a week (in reality, not fantasy) the economic uncertainty is costing the UK In the region of 800 million a week according to the Bank of England. So, really want to hear some coherent reasons from a Brexiteer regarding this masterclass of throwing your country off a cliff.
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It depends on how much tax you pay as to your contribution. EG If you earn £26K a year, your contribution is £54, very slightly over £1 a week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36470341
 


Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
WATFORD zero said:
Don't do that.

What I do is just ignore the vast majority of whiny crap the same way you ignore whining pets when you are getting on with something. Then, just occasionally you get absolute comedy Gold and the whining was all worth it. To be fair, if you are looking for a higher percentage of comedy gold to whining, Two profs is a better bet :wink:
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how did your vote go by the way ?
regards
DR
 


Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
JC Footy Genius said:
Reading back at the predictable reactions from the usual suspects on here we can see that the result doesn't matter because a pro-Brexit party received the largest share of the vote (again). Obviously, if a pro remain party had finished first by a significant margin the same people would have insisted the country had changed its mind and hailed the death of Brexit. Next up, adding all the pro remain (with varying positions) smaller parties vote share to get to a number that beats the Brexit party and UKIP combined share of the vote .... conveniently not including the Conservative party that holds a pro-Brexit position. Labour's position although supposedly committed to delivering a 'Labour' Brexit changes every time McDonnell or any shadow frontbencher appears on tv so hard to put them in either camp. Finally, the few who stink out most threads with their juvenile/trolling contributions screaming 'racists'.

The European elections, the supposed EU showpiece democratic event for voter accountability has once again seen an anti-EU party receive the largest share of the vote returning the biggest block of MEP's. I also note the midlands marginal seats and surprisingly the south-west both had strong Brexit party vote share.
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London is the last stronghold for the remoaners, who would have guessed that
regards
DR
 




Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

Banned
Jan 30, 2008
31,981
daveinplzen said:
Most?? He is how I consider most Brexiteers to be fair
Still waiting for one of them to offer some demonstrably proven positives regarding the countries economy and future if the
country leaves without a deal.
So far, all ive been told is we can control our own laws, which we do anyway, and which I also cannot imagine are much different from EU laws.
In order not to pay the EU, what is it? around 180 million a week (in reality, not fantasy) the economic uncertainty is costing the UK In the region of 800 million a week according to the Bank of England. So, really want to hear some coherent reasons from a Brexiteer regarding this masterclass of throwing your country off a cliff.
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but you don't live here :dunce:
regards
DR
 


Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Pretty pink fairy said:
London is the last stronghold for the remoaners, who would have guessed that
regards
DR
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Even there,a couple of Brexit MEP's.
In other news,remainers have written to the Prem demanding Man City's title is withdrawn,as if you add up all the points everybody else got,they didn't win.
 


Eeyore

Eeyore

Colonel Hee-Haw of Queen's Park
NSC Patron
Apr 5, 2014
23,591
Two Professors said:
Even there,a couple of Brexit MEP's.
In other news,remainers have written to the Prem demanding Man City's title is withdrawn,as if you add up all the points everybody else got,they didn't win.
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No, it's because they lied about a few things....
 






Mellotron

Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
31,853
Brighton
17.4m Brexit votes in 2016.
5m Brexit votes in 2019.

Decimated.

The people have spoken - less than 10% want Brexit. Will Government respect Democracy and the Will of the People?
 








D

Diablo

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 22, 2014
4,193
lewes
Mellotron said:
17.4m Brexit votes in 2016.
5m Brexit votes in 2019.

Decimated.

The people have spoken - less than 10% want Brexit. Will Government respect Democracy and the Will of the People?
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Bit different, but of course you know that ....2016 two horse race..............2019 10 horse race .......and you are assuming everyone who didn`t vote is a remainer. why ?
 








daveinplzen

daveinplzen

New member
Aug 31, 2018
2,846
Chicken Run said:
The European Union is not a place ffs
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:lol:

Yet, you seem desperate to leave it. A seeker of the truth, cool.

Maybe you are the one who could tell me what demonstrably true positives there are, regarding the countries future, and economic welfare, when or If leaving the EU?
 
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Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,597
The Fatherland
Chicken Run said:
The European Union is not a place ffs
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place
/pleɪs/
noun
1.
a particular position, point, or area in space; a location.

I think it is.
 


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