Indeed. Just as no sensible centrist resurection supporting religion exists...
*cough* there is no god/goodbrexit *cough*
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Indeed. Just as no sensible centrist resurection supporting religion exists...
*cough* there is no god/goodbrexit *cough*
Baldseagull
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What he says is that Switzerland and Norway have arrangements and we could have something like that, here he is explaining himself, Norway is in the single market, and the Swiss have a treaty giving them near full rights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sMX0wqr1dA
The trouble is, many others were using Turkey joining (not at all likely) and having freedom of movement rights, or Syrian Refugees given asylum in Germany coming here (not possible), and so ending freedom of movement has been decided by May as a must have of Brexit, till now anyway.
Newsnight covered the Swiss - EU deal recently. Apparently it irks the EU, with several member states angry that it is so one-sided in favour of Switzerland. Unfortunately, they’re not going to sign another agreement like that.
Is now fair to say Labour are now the Remain Party ignoring their leave voters ?
Brexit was never offered on the GE ballot box by Tory, Liberal, Labour or SNP. Only UKIP offered that. And they were bum fudged in both the Cameron and May GEs. May was 'vote for us - we can do the Brexit wot you voted for ina refferfukkinrendum' but her victory was NEVER a victory for Brexit. It was a half arsed victory against gormless Corbyn. So your analogy, if I may be so bold, is utter bollocks.
Baldseagull
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Really?
Baldseagull
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It really is not clear in the interview he gave, and his later clarification he says was after a Swiss type arrangement (only better) with the EU on the single market.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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im not sure. the voting yesturday indicated total paralysis from the MPs to reach a compromise while voting along partisan lines. only way out is to de-politicise. if she does try to blame on Labour it wont wash at this stage and there's not the votes to deliver anything and no deal default, neither May or Corbyn want. how he deals with his remainers and she deals with the ERG will be interesting (splits?) but the rump of both parties will get the deal over the line and can pitch unified "followed the will of the people" and "close relations will be negotiated for future".
See post #83299 - the EU are unhappy with the deal given to the Swiss, so will certainly never offer that to any other nation, let alone a better than that deal.
Looks like they are using Brexit to get in to power ,they are doing a good job and still pretty much still be in the EU with customs union ,single market etc.
Baldseagull
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Some sympathy with that view, I suspect TM is using Labours involvement to be the cause of a long extension, that is in truth required because she has taken us to the wire.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Gosh. Didn't realise you thought that about a confirmatory vote/second referendum. Thanks for the heads-up.
PS: Quite happy to give remainers a vote on how we might leave. I thought it would be polite to give the want-to-be-poorer types a free run on this point, that's all.
Looks like they are using Brexit to TRY to get power - yes, covered in several articles about McDonnell and Starmer steering Corbyn into playing differing constituences by appearing as a Remainer in some, a Brexiteer in others.
Is it working? - no. Awful approval ratings of Corbyn as a leader in polling (even worse than May’s), with Labour backbench MP’s in Midland/Northern marginals desparate that no GE is called.
Customs Union/Freedom of Movement - Corbyn and McDonnell have openly fought against “the Capitalist Club” (their words) of the EU, all their political career. One of their main arguments is that freedom of movement gives a race to the bottom in wages and employee working conditions.
pastafarian
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Please stop your WTO related nonsense now, its getting ridiculous
We did not submit our WTO schedule within the first couple of months because it was not possible to submit our WTO schedule within the first couple of months, nothing to do with no deal being a non starter.
A schedule has to include our submissions on Tariff Rate Quotas, before we could do that we had to negotiate with the EU, separately from withdrawal talks, a methodology for dividing up the existing tariff rate quotas between UK and the EU, when this is completed you need a Council and Commission decision to acknowledge the quotas methodology has been agreed and a subsequent ruling therefore to allow an existing member to be able to submit its own WTO schedule because it is departing the Union, this was done in june 2018, we submitted our draft schedule to the WTO shortly after that in july 2018.
Crikey. You are an odd one. Do you have a lot of money on a bet we would leave, from before the original vote? It has to be the only explanation. The rest of us are pounds down, looking at more, post-suicide
- Nov 11, 2009
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If youre talking about Labour? they are..... Much of what they are doing in shifting positions, is designed to cause maximum chaos,to either split the Tories or profit from the chaos they are in part creating, to engineer a GE.
Baldseagull
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But amongst leave voters, there are some that would prefer to remain than have a Norway deal, and most remainers given a choice of only leave options would probably vote for Norway, it is possible that we would end up with a Brexit that remainers chose, while most leavers would have preferred to remain.
pastafarian
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I have posted it a number of times, if you want a new referendum following on from the democratic decision to leave,asking how we should leave then ask the binary leaving question.
A/ Leave the EU with the withdrawal agreement
or
B/Leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement
Remainers get to vote as well obviously......Remainers dont want this question asked though.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,359
The intellectual voice of the Leave campaign. Dan Hannan is a brilliant, moderate MEP. His pre referendum speech in the Spectator EU debate was right on the money and stole the evening, what an orator, and his masterclass was as right then as it still is today!