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O/T Does the punishment fit the crime ?
- Thread starter mickybha
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darkwolf666
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Ok, let's go a stage further and replace all functions that should be carried out by your local council with prison gangs. Would save a ton of money into the process!
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
- 4,635
Absolutely. Rather like with parking on double yellow lines, you always hear the excuse that "I was only there for 2 minutes" and with litter it is invariably "it was only a small e g wrapper". In Germany the rule is the rule, but because we in Britain tend to go far more for consensus, it leads to these sort of attempts to justify your irresponsible actions. Littering is a problem in the UK which you do not see nearly to the same extent in the near continent. It is a "could not care less" attitude, and when caught, leads to pathetic excuses.
If people could be bothered to stick their litter in a bin, there would be no money to be made.
Shropshire Seagull
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A fixed penalty fine is all well and good [and I agree with [MENTION=13947]happypig[/MENTION] about means testing] but I'd like to take it a step further [no, not a public flogging] and factor in community service as a litter picker.
Tariff to be e.g. 1 hour = £10
So, if you're £100k exec you pay a £100 fine and no litter picking
If you're a skint student, zero fine but 10 hours litter picking.
Fair and just?
Tariff to be e.g. 1 hour = £10
So, if you're £100k exec you pay a £100 fine and no litter picking
If you're a skint student, zero fine but 10 hours litter picking.
Fair and just?
darkwolf666
Well-known member
No, not really - you are just giving the rich carte blanche to stick two fingers up to the rest of us, because they can afford to!
Bit like the owners of these supercars - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35927925
seagullhoop
Member
DEFRA advice from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/enforcement-officers-issuing-fixed-penalty-notices includes this...
Don’t issue FPNs for accidental littering, for example if something falls from someone’s pocket.
Only issue FPNs where there is evidence of intent to drop litter.
Give offenders the chance to pick up litter before you issue an FPN. Warn them that you will issue an FPN if they don’t.
Problem is that if you hand the contract over to a private company that only benefits from issuing a ticket, then this advice is perhaps less likely to be followed.
Don’t issue FPNs for accidental littering, for example if something falls from someone’s pocket.
Only issue FPNs where there is evidence of intent to drop litter.
Give offenders the chance to pick up litter before you issue an FPN. Warn them that you will issue an FPN if they don’t.
Problem is that if you hand the contract over to a private company that only benefits from issuing a ticket, then this advice is perhaps less likely to be followed.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,299
The Argus article says different
you're going to take the word of a hack on the Argus over our Edna? shame on you.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
Eastbourne this morning, lady going into shop threw a nearly whole lighted cigarette behind her.
Eastbourne normally clean is becoming a bit of a sh1thole in places
Singapore has the right idea ..............................like a ton of bricks if you litter
Eastbourne normally clean is becoming a bit of a sh1thole in places
Singapore has the right idea ..............................like a ton of bricks if you litter
Baldseagull
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I have.
Baldseagull
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Biodegradeable poo bags.