[Politics] Brexit

daveinprague · Mar 2, 2017

heathgate said:
Why.. you haven't asked me a question..... I refer you to my recent posts.... we don't want to get dizzy on that roundabout of repeating the same point for each separate poster submitting the same question or comment as the previous poster... do we?

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This morning, I have repeatedly asked..
'but, why would the British government, be disappointed by the Lords, and seek to overturn a guarantee of EU citizens rights in the UK, following Brexit. This has nothing to do with the EU. It is about the British governments intent, post Brexit.'

Its a simple question really, and nothing to do with the EU, rather than Britains intentions regarding the rights of EU citizens residing in the UK.
The responses so far have been, it will delay the process... please haha, How long does it take to state that EU citizens in the UK will continue to have their rights protected.

daveinprague · Mar 2, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
To avoid confusion I am not the UK government. Hope this helps.

Putting down amendments and the inevitable ping-pong between the Commons and the Lords inevitably drags out the process.

That's nice to know but the UK government has a duty to protect UK citizens. Taking for granted a reciprocal agreement would be forthcoming without any strings attached is a bit risky.

Well, many Brexiteers wanted our laws dealt with under British laws. Now they are, theres even more moaning about it.
If you think going into negotiations with the EU over Brexit in an aggressive way will serve the country well, I would have to disagree.

heathgate · Mar 2, 2017

The Merry Prankster said:
I've read your inarticulate nonsense all morning and not risen to the bait BUT it is perfectly possible to do the decent thing unilaterally. I would have thought that leavers would be unsurprised by the appalling behaviour of Junker and the EU and be keen to demonstrate British values of decency and humanity.

Thanks for that...... inarticulate.... priceless.

It's exactly Juncker and his track record that is driving this safety first approach. He has already articulated ( big word), his spiteful and vengeful side in many statements since June, why would we blithely accept that he will reciprocate any early gesture from the UK side?

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heathgate · Mar 2, 2017

daveinprague said:
Well, many Brexiteers wanted our laws dealt with under British laws. Now they are, theres even more moaning about it.
If you think going into negotiations with the EU over Brexit in an aggressive way will serve the country well, I would have to disagree.

It appears to be the modus operandi of Juncker and Tusk....

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nicko31 · Mar 2, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
Since the referendum over 8 months ago they have had ample opportunity to tell them they can stay, and they haven't yet. I don't know.

My constituency in the Thames Valley has one of the highest concentration of EU nationals in the UK, they have made a huge contribution to the area.

Meanwhile my Tory MP a strong remainer that said and done sweet FA on anything to do with Brexit since 24th June despite a lot of lobbying locally. I bet she will go with the government again on the lords amendment, pathetic career politician

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 2, 2017

The Merry Prankster said:
I've read your inarticulate nonsense all morning and not risen to the bait BUT it is perfectly possible to do the decent thing unilaterally. I would have thought that leavers would be unsurprised by the appalling behaviour of Junker and the EU and be keen to demonstrate British values of decency and humanity.

Very much this.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 2, 2017

heathgate said:
Thanks for that...... inarticulate.... priceless.

It's exactly Juncker and his track record that is driving this safety first approach. He has already articulated ( big word), his spiteful and vengeful side in many statements since June, why would we blithely accept that he will reciprocate any early gesture from the UK side?

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You have completely missed the point [MENTION=5001]The Merry Prankster[/MENTION] made.

JC Footy Genius · Mar 2, 2017

daveinprague said:
Well, many Brexiteers wanted our laws dealt with under British laws. Now they are, theres even more moaning about it.
If you think going into negotiations with the EU over Brexit in an aggressive way will serve the country well, I would have to disagree.

In what way is trying to reach an early agreement to limit the uncertainty for EU citizens aggressive?

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 2, 2017

heathgate said:
What... simply because my comments are at odds with yours?....

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No, because you are inarticulate.

heathgate · Mar 2, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
You have completely missed the point [MENTION=5001]The Merry Prankster[/MENTION] made.

No, he says make unilateral gesture, I say it would be risky to assume they will treat UK expats equally magnanimously, so keep our powder dry.

daveinprague · Mar 2, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
In what way is trying to reach an early agreement to limit the uncertainty for EU citizens aggressive?

An amendment to guarantee their rights in the UK Post Brexit would not do that?

heathgate · Mar 2, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
No, because you are inarticulate.

Explain

JC Footy Genius · Mar 2, 2017

heathgate said:
Thanks for that...... inarticulate.... priceless.

It's exactly Juncker and his track record that is driving this safety first approach. He has already articulated ( big word), his spiteful and vengeful side in many statements since June, why would we blithely accept that he will reciprocate any early gesture from the UK side?

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Good luck getting a sensible answer to that question. If some people on this thread were negotiating for the UK I expect we would end up in the Eurozone.

heathgate · Mar 2, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
What a **** you are.

Inarticulate you said,... who is schizophrenic now?

daveinprague · Mar 2, 2017

There is a different dynamic as well towards EU citizens in the UK, and British citizens living in the EU.
Ive not been verbally, or physically attacked, and I have heard of no reports of any British citizens being verbally or physically attacked, let alone being killed.

JC Footy Genius · Mar 2, 2017

daveinprague said:
An amendment to guarantee their rights in the UK Post Brexit would not do that?

We have reluctantly adopted the same position as the EU after they turned down the chance to reduce uncertainty for EU migrants. If that is being Aggresive the EU has virtually declared war.

To help out some on this thread ..

Our side of the negotiating table has this flag.

The other side has this one.

daveinprague · Mar 2, 2017

Soulman · Mar 2, 2017

heathgate said:
...and in one post, clearly highlights how blinded and corrupted [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] has become in his 'Fatherland Utopia'... his views so out of touch with reality, that clearly make his contributions on this subject, invalid.

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Yep, pretty much.

heathgate · Mar 2, 2017

daveinprague said:
There is a different dynamic as well towards EU citizens in the UK, and British citizens living in the EU.
Ive not been verbally, or physically attacked, and I have heard of no reports of any British citizens being verbally or physically attacked, let alone being killed.

That dynamic directly correlates to the numbers game.... 3m EU citizens in a congested UK population 65m...... 1.3 UK citizens spread across 27 countries amongst a population of half a billion.

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daveinprague · Mar 2, 2017

heathgate said:
That dynamic directly correlates to the numbers game.... 3m EU citizens in a congested UK population 65m...... 1.3 UK citizens spread across 27 countries amongst a population of half a billion.

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I doubt if many British citizens are doing the work that home country nationals do not want to do.
There may be legions of fruit pickers, and labourers here, but frankly, I doubt it.

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