I am generally not a person who thinks progress is All bad indeed goal line technology has proved to be very good and can see some major benefits to VAR I think players like Zaha for example are going to have a very tough year, it's just the slowing of the game that concerns me, hopfully I will be proved wrong and 15 minuets added time at the end of each half does not become the norm I don't think my bladder will be able to last that long
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[Football] VAR - will football ever be the same again?
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I am generally not a person who thinks progress is All bad indeed goal line technology has proved to be very good and can see some major benefits to VAR I think players like Zaha for example are going to have a very tough year, it's just the slowing of the game that concerns me, hopfully I will be proved wrong and 15 minuets added time at the end of each half does not become the norm I don't think my bladder will be able to last that long
Publius Ovidius
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Very few and Hawkeye has been adopted on the tour for many many years. People just get on with it and the same with cricket, but football seems to attract the kind of fan that doesn’t accept a ruling against their team and bitches and whines about it all being wrong and against their team.
I am not saying that the decisions against England were all wrong, BUT some of the offsides by the width of a bootlace is quite honestly farcical when the authorities will not reveal the level of calibration and tolerance of the VAR system.
How can you celebrate a goal anymore when you are all watching the ref sticking his finger to his ear, and of course this crap where a lino is not allowed to raise the flag until the play has ended which again could be a goal!
I am not saying that the decisions against England were all wrong, BUT some of the offsides by the width of a bootlace is quite honestly farcical when the authorities will not reveal the level of calibration and tolerance of the VAR system.
How can you celebrate a goal anymore when you are all watching the ref sticking his finger to his ear, and of course this crap where a lino is not allowed to raise the flag until the play has ended which again could be a goal!
It very much felt like the tide had turned and there was a clear majority in favour of VAR coming in. Seems to be turning into a 'be careful what you wish for' thing, with authorities implementing in a way that fits their laws as they interpret them. In theory that shouldn't be a bad thing, fans and players are prone to misinterpret the laws and allow their own biases to taint their views of incidences, and the authorities should be neutral and best placed to act fairly. But it very much feels like the authorities have at best a disconnect with the modern game and its fans, or worse are simply so out of touch they don't realise they are destroying the game, or don't care because the money they are getting.
The problem is that fans will criticise the referees for (in most cases) doing what they are instructed to do (there will be exception where they make errors as humans are prone to do). Fans and commentators will focus on the competency of the officials, the authorities will defend them and not act because the officials are, as far as the authorities are concerned, getting it right and the fans just don't understand.
We need to criticise the VAR policies, not the officials.
The problem is that fans will criticise the referees for (in most cases) doing what they are instructed to do (there will be exception where they make errors as humans are prone to do). Fans and commentators will focus on the competency of the officials, the authorities will defend them and not act because the officials are, as far as the authorities are concerned, getting it right and the fans just don't understand.
We need to criticise the VAR policies, not the officials.
Mayonaise
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This is it in a nutshell!
Goal line technology has already proved beneficial and hasn't damaged the flow of the game and has been accepted as accurate by us all. VAR was worth trialing but has not had the desired outcome so they really need to think again.
GT49er
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Has there been any evidence of time added on for the minutes spent fannying around with VAR?
No, thought not.
GT49er
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Might not be a bad idea.
What sensible posts. Has someone hacked your account
One issue is when offside is given after a goal, as someone's toe is deemed to be an inch offside. We discussed this in the game against Cameroon, and (I think) came to the conclusion that you have to draw the line somewhere, so 1cm offside is still offside. However, they don't do that in cricket when interpreting lbw (the ball would either hit the wicket or miss). They have 'umpires call' when it's less than half the ball hitting the stumps. Maybe we could have the same with offside - if the linesman flagged, then 1cm offside if enough, but if they didn't it has to be 1 foot offside, or you go with the original decision.
METALMICKY
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We all want correct decisions but it's going to come at a cost. Those few seconds of pure unadulterated joy when your teams scores will be gone. You'll be hesitating waiting to see if there is a VAR review.
No, it's not. But yesterday, it looked to me as though Ellen White's arm was hard up against the Swedish player, and the ball may have rolled off her chest and over her forearm (although even after watching it a number of times I'm not actually convinced it did). What is she meant to do in that situation? - she can't move her arm out of the way, because the only way she could do that would be to push into the Swedish player, which would have been a foul. I'm not sure the handball law change is going to be overbeneficial really.
southstandandy
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- Jul 9, 2003
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Pretend they're the new 'Beer breaks'. The opportunity to go to the concourse and get a cold one, consume it, and then return to your seat for the VAR decision!
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Yup, this. Put VAR in the hands of the managers and limit them to, say, 2 or 3 appeals per game. That would close down the constant stop-start of VAR. And they'd soon learn they couldn't use it to run the clock down, like they do with late subs, because the clock would stop.
GT49er
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I think we're stuck and stuffed with VAR. The TV companies and the football authorities love it, and are doubtless anticipating the extra revenues it will bring in after a couple of seasons, when they realise that the five minute breaks for VAR decisions are ideal times for a commercial break.
"Welcome back to The Amex/Old Trafford/Anfield where the away team's goal has just been disallowed by the VAR ref" - the future of football! The Americans have been wanting to put ad. breaks in for years after all - weren't they forced to accept no ad. breaks back in 1994, as a condition of getting the World Cup there? Looks like times are changing - and not for the better,
"Welcome back to The Amex/Old Trafford/Anfield where the away team's goal has just been disallowed by the VAR ref" - the future of football! The Americans have been wanting to put ad. breaks in for years after all - weren't they forced to accept no ad. breaks back in 1994, as a condition of getting the World Cup there? Looks like times are changing - and not for the better,
southstandandy
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You may well have a real point here. Would not be surprised if during live televised games that an 'Ad Break' is slipped in while the decision makers pontificate, in the coming seasons. Another financial incentive?
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GT49er
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Maybe that was the real aim all the time ..........................
Kosh
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This too has been on my mind, the Americanisation of our game, and what you assert could very well be where we end up - as major decisions in BIG ticket games will take an age to determine... Whilst I agree VAR could get over the teething problems we all foresee, it's also likely it'll be used as a convenient driver of income and a tool in the increased commercialisation of football.
I honestly see this as (potentially) the pin that could readily burst the bubble. To be brutally honest, it has been coming.
Your point about Zaha... considering VAR has given penalty’s for the merest brush of a shin pad in both men and women’s World Cup, I think there will be loads of penalties given.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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It's unlikely that VAR in it's current form will survive the coming season. The sheer WELTER of criticism will ensure that it gets swiftly modified so it doesn't ruin the flow of the game. It's an evolutionary process, and its initial use in the WWC don't bode well at all.
brightn'ove
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The women’s World Cup is not it’s ‘initial use’ though, it’s been in use for multiple seasons and has been used in multiple cup competitions, including ones in this country! (Remember Andone’s red card in the FA Cup?). The women’s World Cup has absolutely awful standards of officiating, it should be no surprise that VAR was a shitshow in that competition when it is refereed by clowns.
Nixonator
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Worse than I imagined it would be, and I imagined it would be catastrophic.
Most of those who I speak to have come around to thinking it's a mistake.
Wonder if any of VAR's flag-bearers on here have changed their minds yet? If not, there's still time.
Most of those who I speak to have come around to thinking it's a mistake.
Wonder if any of VAR's flag-bearers on here have changed their minds yet? If not, there's still time.
Gazwag
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Isn't the latter part of your post what football is all about for the fans
I would much rather go batshit mental when something like Ulloa@Forest happens than see the goal go in an wait thirty seconds until the ref signals the goal. Yes some goals go against you and some don't. Penalty decisions are fine as they can be looked at while the game is still going on but if somebody is ruled offside because they have long hair which proves to be 1mm offside when the ball might have been kicked will kill the game. There is so much analysis on if a player is 1mm offside but how much is looked at when the ball is kicked forward what is the margin of error there.