[Politics] Brexit

nicko31 said:

Its quite simple we can't have our cake and eat it, TM's crazy red lines were never going to be compatible with the unique make up of the UK and our Brexit fantasies

I'm afraid when push comes to shove, the future and stability of 450m people across 27 countries will prevail over ride that of 60m people.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Many people finding it difficult because the site is for Android phones only. I'm sure it will all turn out right in the end eh? You have more faith than me.

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nicko31 said:

Its quite simple we can't have our cake and eat it, TM's crazy red lines were never going to be compatible with the unique make up of the UK and our Brexit fantasies

I'm afraid when push comes to shove, the future and stability of 450m people across 27 countries will prevail over ride that of 60m people.

Economically No deal will damage Europe probably as much it will be damage the UK, but there are 27 of them to share the pain and lets face it they don't need to stockpile supplies.

Then there's the very future of the UK itself, anyone who saw the reaction of Argus Robertson last night to the Tories basically threatening to tear up the GFA just gives you a hint of the turmoil that lies ahead.

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Green Cross Code Man said:

I would expect a classic EU fudge. After all the well-being of the European people did not come first when the Euro was implemented. There is no reason on earth that the EU has to be intractable regarding the Irish border whatever Tusk says. Even one of his aides (can't remember the name) says that some kind of deal may be possible.

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cunning fergus said:

Anyone who has any insight regarding how complex deals work would know that if both parties genuinely want a deal then nothing is settled till the final minute. It’s just how it works.

https://business.financialpost.com/...land-walks-out-of-talks-on-eu-free-trade-deal

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-european-union-ceta-trade-provisional-application-1.3715488

The best chance of a good deal is that no deal is possible, that will compel the U.K. and EU to arrive at a deal.........even if it’s right at the last minute.

EU politicians are still politicians, what they say has no value..........both sides have an awful lot in common, no one wants no deal.

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Green Cross Code Man said:

I would expect a classic EU fudge. After all the well-being of the European people did not come first when the Euro was implemented. There is no reason on earth that the EU has to be intractable regarding the Irish border whatever Tusk says. Even one of his aides (can't remember the name) says that some kind of deal may be possible.

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Rodney Thomas said:

I’d say that’s broadly true but only when both parties have a similar amount to lose. As [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] says, that’s not the case between us and the EU. They need us, but not as much as we need them.

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Bold Seagull said:

The EU has bilateral agreements with the likes of Switzerland, and with regard to the other Schengen area countries. The EU has hard borders with those not in Schengen or not having common visa / customs agreements. When you say 'without difficulties' - yeah, through striking 'deals'.

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cunning fergus said:

That is true, but no deal creates a major problem for Ireland, and let’s be honest will create challenges in EU and U.K. alike.

If politicians on both sides want a deal then I think they will blink.

I may be wrong, but this is difficult for the EU too, do they keep to their red lines and throw a member state Ireland under the bus, or seek a compromise. Here is the eternal problem with the EU, when can national interests of member states Trump the EU’s?

So, there will be tough talking, bicep flexing and willy waving, then a deal will be made.

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nicko31 said:

Its quite simple we can't have our cake and eat it, TM's crazy red lines were never going to be compatible with the unique make up of the UK and our Brexit fantasies

I'm afraid when push comes to shove, the future and stability of 450m people across 27 countries will prevail over ride that of 60m people.

Economically No deal will damage Europe probably as much it will be damage the UK, but there are 27 of them to share the pain and lets face it they don't need to stockpile supplies.

Then there's the very future of the UK itself, anyone who saw the reaction of Argus Robertson last night to the Tories basically threatening to tear up the GFA just gives you a hint of the turmoil that lies ahead.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Switzerland is in Schengen and pays the EU to be so.



If the UK defaults to WTO rules (using copied-and-pasted versions of the EU’s tariffs in the short term), the EU would still have to maintain its side of the border. That would require check goods coming into Ireland from the UK.

That’s because the EU’s existence as a free trade area depends on its ability to demonstrate to the WTO that it can control its external borders properly.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...the-options-for-the-irish-border-after-brexit

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nicko31 said:

In some ways I'd admire your optimism, but we are talking about an International border.

You seem to forget the creation of the Single market was the foundation of the GFA and 20 years of peace. And you can't compare Switzerland with the Irish situation, sorry...

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ManOfSussex said:

We agreed to the backstop in 2017 and now we want to change it because some Tory Toffs and Orangemen oddballs don't like it but it's all The EU's fault and the Irish really should they place because we're British and better than them and we'll mention World War 2 too at them, but not the troubles.

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cunning fergus said:

Its ok, the Irish will starve and go skint before we do......the EU wouldn't do that to them would they?

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Westdene Seagull said:

May agreed to the backstop ..... not parliament. So are you now suggesting you don't like the power parliament wields ...... desipte Gina Miller fighting to have it recognised ?

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ManOfSussex said:

We agreed to the backstop in 2017 and now we want to change it because some Tory Toffs and Orangemen oddballs don't like it but it's all The EU's fault and the Irish really should they place because we're British and better than them and we'll mention World War 2 too at them, but not the troubles.

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