[Politics] Would a Boris Johnson PM gives the Tories are wider appeal?

SollysLeftFoot · Jul 11, 2019

The Birdman said:
Since Teressa May has decide to go she actual performed much better at PMQ although I voted to stay I do think we should have voted for TM deal so I thank Labour MPs who want Brexit for giving me Boris.

Well, this is the thing. Labour have helped foster this mess when they've been desperate to portray this as a Tory brexit. It's just not working for them, Corbyn has been a disaster for the labour party, the die hards won't accept this. But a competent Labour leader would be destroying the Tories right now and yet, they're too busy pissing off Staffers to care too much about frontline politics.

The irony of all of this is, is that Corbyn's closest allies have been trying to push 'the Tories are being ideological', whilst being the most ideological driven party.

Labour is an absolute mess, and largely this can be pinpointed on Corbyn and his advisers. It isn't so much his ideas that are the problem but him and his circle. If Labour had a charismatic and more youthful leader, I could not see anything but a labour government in the next GE.

Not going to happen because Corbyn's circle have entrenched themselves in the decision making bodies and alas, a new leader will not be likely any time soon because any attempt to remove him will be blasted as a Blairite coup.

Kinky Gerbil · Jul 11, 2019

lawros left foot said:
No, he really didn't.
Water cannon, Garden Bridge, cable cars, London buses,all expensive white elephants, and even Boris bikes was a Ken Livingstone idea. But, give him his due, he does steal the credit for other people's achievements very well.

Id rather vote for Boris Karloff

London stadium

cheshunt seagull · Jul 11, 2019

He is a liar, a charlatan, an egotist and a bigot. He casually leaves a trail of wrecked lives and careers and never takes any personal responsibility. Total piece of scum and I really can't see how anyone can vote for him. This idea of him widening Tory appeal mystifies me.

Surf's Up · Jul 11, 2019

lawros left foot said:
No, he really didn't.
Water cannon, Garden Bridge, cable cars, London buses,all expensive white elephants, and even Boris bikes was a Ken Livingstone idea. But, give him his due, he does steal the credit for other people's achievements very well.

Id rather vote for Boris Karloff

100% this.

Triggaaar · Jul 11, 2019

Triggaaar said:
I couldn't vote Boris in the same way that I've always felt I couldn't vote Corbyn.

Not old enough?

Well that's what one of you should have replied

maltaseagull · Jul 11, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
Same.

The problem is that no matter how good your local MP is, when it comes to a commons vote, they do as they are told.
Edit
Most of them, most of the time.

Simster · Jul 11, 2019

Goldstone1976 said:
Couldn’t vote Tory with Johnson as the leader (though, tbf, I’ve never yet voted Tory anyway); couldn’t vote Labour with Corbyn. Couldn’t not vote.

Leaves me with Lib Dem, I guess. Though I would seriously consider spoiling my ballot paper.

The two main parties are currently an utter disgrace; both unfit to govern. But one of them will win the next GE.

I’m firmly on the hamster wheel of doom.

I'm broadly in this camp, although I think I'm happier than you to vote for the current LibDem incarnation. These Tories are just new levels of absolutely terrible and the state of the Labour party is confused, flip flops over policy, doesn't know what it stands for and thus can't be trusted. The only glimmer of hope is that with Brexit dominating the political landscape, there is a genuine chance that minor parties might get a foothold and change the voting system.

Surf's Up · Jul 11, 2019

SollysLeftFoot said:
Well, this is the thing. Labour have helped foster this mess when they've been desperate to portray this as a Tory brexit. It's just not working for them, Corbyn has been a disaster for the labour party, the die hards won't accept this. But a competent Labour leader would be destroying the Tories right now and yet, they're too busy pissing off Staffers to care too much about frontline politics.

The irony of all of this is, is that Corbyn's closest allies have been trying to push 'the Tories are being ideological', whilst being the most ideological driven party.

Labour is an absolute mess, and largely this can be pinpointed on Corbyn and his advisers. It isn't so much his ideas that are the problem but him and his circle. If Labour had a charismatic and more youthful leader, I could not see anything but a labour government in the next GE.

Not going to happen because Corbyn's circle have entrenched themselves in the decision making bodies and alas, a new leader will not be likely any time soon because any attempt to remove him will be blasted as a Blairite coup.

The only way the "Labour Party" is going to change now that the hard left have taken over is by the current schism evolving into a total and irreversable split resulting in the formation of at least two new parties from the detritus of the Labour Party. Unfortunately this will not happen quickly because the left will want to continue to use the vehicle of the Labour Party to attain real power via the current Trojan Horse exercise (and in their wildest dreams form a hard left government) and will not relinquish this possibility without an ugly, aggressive and dirty fight which the vast majority of Labour MPs and supporters will have little stomach for.

The Birdman · Jul 11, 2019

SollysLeftFoot said:
No, but if you're a Tory strategist, he's perfect.

Just a hypothesis and I could be wildly wrong but I can see the following happening:

1) BoJo made PM; makes electoral pact with the Brexit Party to secure their vote
2) Calls snap election before October 31st
3) Returns a Tory majority to the HoC and the Brexit Party largely pushed aside and Labour likely to lose a few seats opp Narf.
4) Attempts negotiations with EU, realises that they will not budge.
5) Attempts to pass May's deal, if passes Boris has delivered. If not, Boris could well post-pone Brexit in order to find a compromise.

This would give the Tories plenty of time without the worry of the Brexit party in any immediate elections and Labour could be in an identity crisis. BoJo whilst has sounded no deal, he hasn't been as full on as Hunt. Which makes me wonder about what's going on in the background and it there's a plan.

Clearly I could be completely wrong and the buffoon does genuinely lead us to a hard brexit. However, based on the recent tory debate and the way Labour are at the moment. Prime time for an election.[

/I think you could be spot on my worry is it will give Farage a seat in parliament which he always wanted but failed as a Tory and UKIP third time lucky

oneillco · Jul 11, 2019

sams dad said:
Put me down as a ****ing **** then!
#TeamBoris

So what are your reasons for supporting Johnson? I'd genuinely like to know because the usual excuse is "he's a good laugh" or "he's different from other politicians". Is his carefully cultivated image of being an amiable buffoon enough to make him prime minister material?

WATFORD zero · Jul 11, 2019

When will we see the first 'Well Boris was really a remainer all along, I wanted Farage as PM' post ?

I reckon November 1st :laugh:

SollysLeftFoot · Jul 11, 2019

The Birdman said:
SollysLeftFoot said:

No, but if you're a Tory strategist, he's perfect.

Just a hypothesis and I could be wildly wrong but I can see the following happening:

1) BoJo made PM; makes electoral pact with the Brexit Party to secure their vote
2) Calls snap election before October 31st
3) Returns a Tory majority to the HoC and the Brexit Party largely pushed aside and Labour likely to lose a few seats opp Narf.
4) Attempts negotiations with EU, realises that they will not budge.
5) Attempts to pass May's deal, if passes Boris has delivered. If not, Boris could well post-pone Brexit in order to find a compromise.

This would give the Tories plenty of time without the worry of the Brexit party in any immediate elections and Labour could be in an identity crisis. BoJo whilst has sounded no deal, he hasn't been as full on as Hunt. Which makes me wonder about what's going on in the background and it there's a plan.

Clearly I could be completely wrong and the buffoon does genuinely lead us to a hard brexit. However, based on the recent tory debate and the way Labour are at the moment. Prime time for an election.[

/I think you could be spot on my worry is it will give Farage a seat in parliament which he always wanted but failed as a Tory and UKIP third time lucky

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Yep, because then he'll be in the driving seat for trade negotiations with the U.S

A1X · Jul 11, 2019

He's not the Boris Johnson of a decade ago who won London in spite of overwhelming odds against. He's an incredibly divisive figure. He might help to stem the flow from Tory to Brexit, but I think he will equally put off a lot of soft Tory voters who will head for the Lib Dems.

SollysLeftFoot · Jul 11, 2019

Surf's Up said:
The only way the "Labour Party" is going to change now that the hard left have taken over is by the current schism evolving into a total and irreversable split resulting in the formation of at least two new parties from the detritus of the Labour Party. Unfortunately this will not happen quickly because the left will want to continue to use the vehicle of the Labour Party to attain real power via the current Trojan Horse exercise (and in their wildest dreams form a hard left government) and will not relinquish this possibility without an ugly, aggressive and dirty fight which the vast majority of Labour MPs and supporters will have little stomach for.

The left is notorious for continuously splitting, "People's Front of Judea" springs to mind. The problem with the left at the moment is power, it's who has power in the decision making and this means that the actual labour/socialist movement will never move forward because of the constant power struggles.

When I was a yoof, i hung around the Socialist Party of England and Wales (not the SWP...) and I will never forget the constant power struggles with other organisations over executive committees and establishing their brand.

This has been detrimental to their efforts. I'm by no means a marxist now, I work in finance so classified as a class traitor. However, you can't help but feel if there was a genuine working class movement in the UK, it would be effective and influential because the UK is still very much class driven whether we can see it immediately or only having glimpses into it.

Largely, the idea of nationalisation of core industry and establishing national self-sufficiency would be a simple task for the labour movement, because they can tap into that mentality within the UK successfully.

Thunder Bolt · Jul 11, 2019

The Birdman said:
SollysLeftFoot said:

No, but if you're a Tory strategist, he's perfect.

Just a hypothesis and I could be wildly wrong but I can see the following happening:

1) BoJo made PM; makes electoral pact with the Brexit Party to secure their vote
2) Calls snap election before October 31st
3) Returns a Tory majority to the HoC and the Brexit Party largely pushed aside and Labour likely to lose a few seats opp Narf.
4) Attempts negotiations with EU, realises that they will not budge.
5) Attempts to pass May's deal, if passes Boris has delivered. If not, Boris could well post-pone Brexit in order to find a compromise.

This would give the Tories plenty of time without the worry of the Brexit party in any immediate elections and Labour could be in an identity crisis. BoJo whilst has sounded no deal, he hasn't been as full on as Hunt. Which makes me wonder about what's going on in the background and it there's a plan.

Clearly I could be completely wrong and the buffoon does genuinely lead us to a hard brexit. However, based on the recent tory debate and the way Labour are at the moment. Prime time for an election.[

/I think you could be spot on my worry is it will give Farage a seat in parliament which he always wanted but failed as a Tory and UKIP third time lucky

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He's tried 7 times and failed.

FamilyGuy · Jul 11, 2019

Blue3 said:
Boris is only intrested in Boris

This describes just about any successful politician, I'd suggest.

nicko31 · Jul 12, 2019

Interesting results..

Tories +6
Brex/UKIP - 4%
Lab/other +12%

Whilst NSC is rather anti-Tory big results suggest Boris loses wins the right wing but loses more to the centre.

Know a few moderate Tory voters seriously thinking of going Lib Dem. Just don't trust Boris and feel more than any other candidate its all about him. Also no answers on Brexit, being pally with Trump is toxic too...

Gritt23 · Jul 12, 2019

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't decide NOW. I don't consider myself staunch Tory, or Labour or Lib Dem, or UKIP, or Green, or Monster Raving Loony. Perhaps I did once upon a time, but I now listen, and read, and consider what is in the manifestos and make a decision based on that, and how I feel about the leaders at the time.

If the only options here are about still with, or switching based purely on what we think of the leaders, why do parties even bother with Manifestos? People who are staunch Labour will automatically hate everything in the Tory manifesto, and staunch Tory voters will automatically hate everything in the Labour manifesto.

I guess that makes me what is called a "floating voter" but that has always had the connotations of being a wishy washy, unable to ever properly make up my mind sort of person. I disagree. I think it is better to actually listen to what is being said, what is being proposed, and make an informed decision rather than a rather simplistic, "I support the reds, and therefore hate the blues" or vice versa.

Anyway, got that off my chest. As you were.

schmunk · Jul 12, 2019

Gritt23 said:
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't decide NOW. I don't consider myself staunch Tory, or Labour or Lib Dem, or UKIP, or Green, or Monster Raving Loony. Perhaps I did once upon a time, but I now listen, and read, and consider what is in the manifestos and make a decision based on that, and how I feel about the leaders at the time.

If the only options here are about still with, or switching based purely on what we think of the leaders, why do parties even bother with Manifestos? People who are staunch Labour will automatically hate everything in the Tory manifesto, and staunch Tory voters will automatically hate everything in the Labour manifesto.

I guess that makes me what is called a "floating voter" but that has always had the connotations of being a wishy washy, unable to ever properly make up my mind sort of person. I disagree. I think it is better to actually listen to what is being said, what is being proposed, and make an informed decision rather than a rather simplistic, "I support the reds, and therefore hate the blues" or vice versa.

Anyway, got that off my chest. As you were.

What you need is a half-and-half scarf...

:lolol:

wellquickwoody · Jul 12, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
I presume you’re consistent and won’t therefore be voting for a Tory party led by someone who uses racist, homophobic and misogynistic language then?

Your idea of racist, homophobic and misogynistic may not be the same as somebody else, and therefore they might continue to vote Tory. As it is my vote will go elsewhere as I think he is a bumbling fool, whereas I think JC is Utopian dreamer who could not run an economy with a thousand years of practice. Oh, and seemingly racist too.

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