[Albion] Sacking Hughton and racial implications

Knocky's Nose · May 13, 2019

Utter Bollocks. Things like this really piss me off....

If you want to cause division, mistrust and actually create racism - this is exactly the way to do it. :nono:

What a bullshit world we live in.

Hungry Joe · May 13, 2019

Ninja Elephant said:
We wanted the praise for having Hughton in charge, so we have to accept the criticism having now fired him.

Did 'we' want that? Intelligent constructive criticism based on balanced opinions - yes. Libelous and incendiary nonsense that could set back the promotion of equality and plays into the hands of real racists everywhere - absolutely not.

BUTTERBALL · May 13, 2019

As much as i disagree with his dismissal, it has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Ridiculous and unfounded.

TottonSeagull · May 13, 2019

Unfortunately it is this sort of reporting which actually sets organisations like 'Kick It Out' backwards. CH lost his job due to footballing reasons. The colour of his skin made no difference and I for one never even had a second thought on the colour of his skin throughout the 4 and half years he was with us!! We, as a club, must be one of the most progressive and all this type of nonsense does is put off other clubs from hiring as they will be scared stiff to move a manager on if they feel he his not performing (just as any other manager would be) as these goons will play the race card...………………..gets my goat!!

Honky Tonx · May 13, 2019

Uh_huh_him said:
Look I think it's a ridiculous statement too.

But..... I think all of us were surprised by the decision. It did seem massively unlikely yesterday that CH would not have been given at least until Christmas to prove what he can do.
Some people have taken that surprise and added Race into the argument, by asking " If Chris had been white, would he have got longer?" Plenty of people think we should have.
Tony may have to break certain confidentialities and come out and say exactly what his reasoning was. That isn't likely to happen.

Other clubs would have sacked their manager long before. The fact that Hughton got us to the FA Cup semi final probably kept him in the job longer. The away game at Fulham was the beginning of the end. Remember, we struggled to beat Huddersfield at home lost twice to Cardiff and could not beat Fulham, lost at home to Southampton ( all our closest rivals ) and hammered 5 0 at home to Bournemouth.
It was right to let Hughton go so soon after the end of the season, I'm sure the decision was made weeks ago, as Hughton will not be left wondering whether he still has a job or not. I'm sure that he will receive a handsome severance package and can now go off and enjoy a long deserved rest

Ninja Elephant · May 13, 2019

Hungry Joe said:
Did 'we' want that? Intelligent constructive criticism based on balanced opinions - yes. Libelous and incendiary nonsense that could set back the promotion of equality and plays into the hands of real racists everywhere - absolutely not.

We, as a club - yes. Understandably, there was a lot of positive response from the club when there were race related stories, obviously CH spoke very well and we're a very progressive club in terms of inclusion and giving people an opportunity. It's clearly not the case that firing Hughton is anything other than football related, but we have to expect this attention having done so many pieces about our BAME representative manager.

Bottom line - everyone wishes Hughton had done better with the team this season. No way Bloom wanted to fire him, no way anyone wanted to be in the position we are now. Had we finished 13/14th or even 15th, with a similar end to the season as the first half, then this doesn't happen. We're thinking about next season and the planning for it.

dazzer6666 · May 13, 2019

Racist my arse. Calculated decision by Bloom and his team on whether what he's done is good enough to make us progress. We've been properly woeful on the pitch for months, the stats prove it, watching it proved it - absolutely nothing to with colour but gets people a few likes and followers I guess. Collymore will be next on the bandwagon for sure. CH himself yesterday said something along the lines of 'next season will be more of the same' - probably tipped TB over the edge.

Radio now saying has he 'earned the right to change Brighton's approach ?' - maybe he's already been given the chance to do that and failed. We don't know.

The Andy Naylor Fan Club · May 13, 2019

TottonSeagull said:
Unfortunately it is this sort of reporting which actually sets organisations like 'Kick It Out' backwards. CH lost his job due to footballing reasons. The colour of his skin made no difference and I for one never even had a second thought on the colour of his skin throughout the 4 and half years he was with us!! We, as a club, must be one of the most progressive and all this type of nonsense does is put off other clubs from hiring as they will be scared stiff to move a manager on if they feel he his not performing (just as any other manager would be) as these goons will play the race card...………………..gets my goat!!

I was just going to post something similar but you have put it better than I would have. :thumbsup:

Hamilton · May 13, 2019

I think they are putting 2 and 2 together and getting a number that isn't 4.

However, I'm trusting that the club has done its due diligence on Ashworth following the Mark Sampson case at the FA. I am making the assumption that Ashworth's role in not stepping in to protect Eni Aluko or investigating the claims against Sampson at Bristol has been clearly explained.

It would also be wrong to assume that this has any bearing on the decision to replace Chris. That was down to results and playing style.

As another poster has pointed out. We do still have a black manager in Hope, and who is to say our next manager will not add to the low number of BAME managers in the country?

portlock seagull · May 13, 2019

Knocky's Nose said:
Utter Bollocks. Things like this really piss me off....

If you want to cause division, mistrust and actually create racism - this is exactly the way to do it.

What a bullshit world we live in.

This. I’m withdrawing my support of Kick It Out. I’m white. So I’m definitely racist. And privileged obviously...why would they want klan members like me?

jimhigham · May 13, 2019

Hope Powell anybody?

EDIT - Seen the point has been adequately made already. A small point but one well worth making to those chucking accusations about.

bobbyc · May 13, 2019

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nks-brighton-were-wrong-to-fire-chris-hughton

John Barnes has piped up now too...guess what, it's because of racism

nicko31 · May 13, 2019

I can't believe what some of these journalists are printing. I know their industry is in decline and anything for a click, but the stuff printed is misguided and just shows complete ignorance about BHAFC

Knocky's Nose · May 13, 2019

Even trying to make sense of this makes me shake my head in disbelief....

Tony Bloom : "Has anyone noticed anything about Chris lately?"

Assistant : "Well, he's got rather brown skin - and no, I don't think he's been on holiday. I think it's natural you know..."

Tony Bloom : "Christ, I knew it. I knew it. We've only gone and hired a black man. I never realised.. I can't believe I never noticed. I was so busy thinking about our piss poor run of form I didn't stop to think. Sack him, and quickly."

Assistant : "Yes, Mr Bloom"

FFS... :glare:

PS : I've found John Barnes to be very sensible and pragmatic about racism, especially calling it out when it doesn't exist. I'll assume he means the decision was wrong on a footballing level.

Bold Seagull · May 13, 2019

bobbyc said:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...nks-brighton-were-wrong-to-fire-chris-hughton

John Barnes has piped up now too...guess what, it's because of racism

Accept he doesn't say anything of the sort, and I watched the interview as well as read your link.

It appears some of our fans are desperate to make more of this racial link in the media than there actually is.

Larry · May 13, 2019

What utter rubbish if he is not good enough he is not good enough.

Honky Tonx · May 13, 2019

bobbyc said:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...nks-brighton-were-wrong-to-fire-chris-hughton

John Barnes has piped up now too...guess what, it's because of racism

What a great success Barnes made of being a Manager.

symyjym · May 13, 2019

If this was the case we would not have employed him let alone awarding him with two contract extensions one being at the end of last season.

bobbyc · May 13, 2019

Bold Seagull said:
Accept he doesn't say anything of the sort, and I watched the interview as well as read your link.

It appears some of our fans are desperate to make more of this racial link in the media than there actually is.

"The solution is not to give more black people jobs in football, the solution is to give black people, women, homosexuals more respect in life, then that will filter up.

"Until we change our perception of a BAME person's capabilities, in all walks of life, we will be given less opportunities and less time to succeed."

Sounds like he's blaming it on racism to me...

Hugo Rune · May 13, 2019

Hamilton said:
I think they are putting 2 and 2 together and getting a number that isn't 4.

This.

These two facts are not mutually exclusive.

It’s extremely sad and disappointing that another BAME Manager has lost their job further dwindling the already shockingly low numbers of BAME managers working.

Chris Hughton was sacked due to results & performances on the pitch.

It’s very sad that pundits are putting the two together.

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