[Politics] Brexit

SollysLeftFoot · Jul 30, 2019

zefarelly said:
My business is all but dead at the moment . . . U.K. Customers have gone, EU customers remain . . . . But their prices haven't gone down . . . Virtually everything I use is imported. This country has very little manufacturing left, and if it does, we don't make the ,aterials to manufacture with. So in real terms the prices for EU customers are about the same, for U.K. Customers, they've gone up. Many of my suppliers have put their prices up around 20% in the last year or two.

Most of our food and drink and fuel is imported . . . . Christmas my arse you Tory twunt.

"Project fear, project fear!" They'll cry.

Manufacturing will be dead, so much for restoring sovereignty. A refusal to accept parliamentary democracy/sovereignty, a decimation of industry to ensure we rely on foreign manufacturing, which will erode our independence and procurement will very much be seller-dictated and moving from a seat at the table to hoping to get a high five as the footballers walk down the tunnel to the changing room.

We're an embarrassment. But all of this is 'project fear', we just need to have faith in Britain...

Kinky Gerbil · Jul 30, 2019

Make sure you check those Brexit t&cs when booking a holiday

10.9. Brexit Implications: Certain Travel Arrangements may be affected as a result of the United Kingdom’s decision to leave the European Union, the implications of which are unavoidable and extraordinary circumstances that are entirely beyond our control. We will continue to monitor the situation and will advise our customers as soon as possible if we become aware of any confirmed bookings that will be affected. Please note that we will not be liable to pay you any compensation.

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2019

Blue Valkyrie said:
This Brexiter sums it well ( click for entire multi-tweet thread ).

https://twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1156054401032871936?s=19

I voted remain, but would now vote leave if we got a deal - preferably EEA. As a minimum EFTA membership.

*No deal* will ruin us. Sadly maybe we have to experience it before some dunderheads realise.

JCFG will lynch him, that traitor is suggesting membership of EEA was a thing he as a leaver hoped for, that is not REAL Brexit.

boik · Jul 30, 2019

Travelling abroad is far too cheap anyway. Flying to the Baltic for a stag weekend for example is a ridiculous abuse of the environment. Aviation fuel needs taxing asap.

tinycowboy · Jul 30, 2019

Icy Gull said:
Falling pound = rising Stock Market so I guess there is a silver lining for some

Don't forget imported inflation though.

Thunder Bolt · Jul 30, 2019

studio150 said:
And oil is priced in dollars so petrol and diesel will increase which will increase transportation costs.

Which in turn will raise food prices.

nicko31 · Jul 30, 2019

Icy Gull said:
Falling pound = rising Stock Market so I guess there is a silver lining for some

For those with overseas assets, rich people like Jacob Rees-Mogg that moved his assets to Ireland its good times. For most people its a further reduction in purchasing power.

Five years ago USD/GBP = 1.7, 30% decline. More to go if we stick with Boris and his far right crew

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2019

Brexit: Taking back what we never lost, to lose everything we had.

Boris seems to be suggesting that he would spend heavily to avert the recession that no deal would invite (yes JCFG, a Brexit recession). I am pretty sure we just had a decade of austerity because the Tories said that spending your way out of a financial hole was crazy. Now, either those ****s lied and believe that spending on public services and infrastrucure could stimulate the economy and the austerity was just a route to smaller public service (ideological aim), or those ****s are planning to follow the crazy act of no deal exit with a financial policy that they think will make it worse.

Despite the inclusion of a couple of genuinely stupid, selfish and callous MP's, I still do not believe that there is a serious will to leave with no deal in the cabinet, I think they all reckon that if they can just make the EU believe they are serious they will get their way. If it goes right down to the last day, unless there is an extension offer on the table that we can accept, Revocation becomes a stronger possibility.

darkwolf666 · Jul 30, 2019

Notters said:
More Brexiteer nonsense I'm afraid.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-tourism-idUKKCN1R60XN

Brexit is ****ing all of us.

Hmm, more Remain distortion of facts. The very article you link to demonstrates that after the referendum the value of the pound dropped and attracted more visitors, there was then a rally in the value of the pound and the number of visitors dropped. The brief is with the current value of the pound visitor numbers will again go up!

Guinness Boy · Jul 30, 2019

boik said:
Travelling abroad is far too cheap anyway. Flying to the Baltic for a stag weekend for example is a ridiculous abuse of the environment. Aviation fuel needs taxing asap.

And there's a middle class conceit if ever I read one. Firstly flying isn't the only option. I travel to visit my dad in France every couple of years with the kids and we get the Ferry. Secondly, business travel isn't going to care about any sort of subsidy. Air prices go up then so does the cost of services and imports and up goes infaltion, punishing the very people you've just banned from seeing the world. Thirdly, have you had a fun bypass?

virtual22 · Jul 30, 2019

boik said:
Travelling abroad is far too cheap anyway. Flying to the Baltic for a stag weekend for example is a ridiculous abuse of the environment. Aviation fuel needs taxing asap.

So your answer is to stop poorer people flying and let more well off people continue to fly and abuse the environment?

In your world the nurse/postman/bin man is priced out of going abroad but people who contribute way less to society but earn more get to do what they want! I loathe this basis of restricting people doing things based on their income.

Have a personal co2 quota or some other idea but ffs stop using someone’s income as a way to control them!

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2019

Tory Boy said:
However if you are involved in the home based tourist trade its party time as more people from abroad will be able to afford to come here, and spend more money. Plus the fewer people holiday abroad the better for local tourism.

And if you are an exporter of goods it’s Xmas every day at the moment.

TB

Might be true for tourism, if only the worlds media had not been reporting we voted out because we don't like immigrants. Doesn't create that welcoming feeling for foreign visitors.

bluenitsuj · Jul 30, 2019

Oxy McFloppie-Tish said:
That's a reason for holidaying at home? Come to Cornwall - if you can get down the A30.

I am in Cornwall now. Waiting for this rain to bugger off

Baldseagull · Jul 30, 2019

cloud said:
Rates have been declining over the last 10 years but Thomas Exchange, who I often use, are selling Euros at 1.09 and buying at 1.1344

We had our holiday in Scotland and Northumberland this year due to Brexit uncertainty, and the UK tourist industry seems to be booming, with hotels fully booked and charging what I consider to be above-average prices, and restaurants full.

We will give Europe a miss for the next couple of years and support the UK economy instead.

You make that sound like a choice.

CHAPPERS · Jul 30, 2019

Bob! · Jul 30, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
Oh goody, a Brexit related thread.

The consequences of a no-deal Brexit seem to affect so much of our lives.

Who'd have thunk!

Stat Brother · Jul 30, 2019

darkwolf666 said:
Hmm, more Remain distortion of facts. The very article you link to demonstrates that after the referendum the value of the pound dropped and attracted more visitors, there was then a rally in the value of the pound and the number of visitors dropped. The brief is with the current value of the pound visitor numbers will again go up!

I wonder how much 'freedom of movement' is in play for this.

Nobody will be coming in if we make it difficult to arrive.

boik · Jul 30, 2019

virtual22 said:
So your answer is to stop poorer people flying and let more well off people continue to fly and abuse the environment?

In your world the nurse/postman/bin man is priced out of going abroad but people who contribute way less to society but earn more get to do what they want! I loathe this basis of restricting people doing things based on their income.

Have a personal co2 quota or some other idea but ffs stop using someone’s income as a way to control them!

I agree with some of what you say, but cannot understand why petrol is taxed so heavily, and yet aviation fuel is not. Not sure if there's any figures available, but I would hazard a guess that a huge proportion of flying is non-essential. Rich and poor need to be encouraged to stop flying everywhere just because it is cheap. People definitely fly more because it is so cheap. There's no getting around that.

Guinness Boy · Jul 30, 2019

boik said:
I agree with some of what you say, but cannot understand why petrol is taxed so heavily, and yet aviation fuel is not. Not sure if there's any figures available, but I would hazard a guess that a huge proportion of flying is non-essential. Rich and poor need to be encouraged to stop flying everywhere just because it is cheap. People definitely fly more because it is so cheap. There's no getting around that.

While the proportion of business travel to tourism is relatively low, business travel makes up the huge bulk of airline profits from passengers (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/an...ness-travelers-compared-leisure-travelers.asp). Business travel is all about getting people to face to face meetings or global offices in time and, whilst there is a trend to force staff to use lower cost airlines, in reality simple things like time zones and IT restrictions stop a large number of video conferences. Planes will still fly if there are business people and cheap goods to transport. You can't put the genie of globalisation back in the bottle. And businesses will be able to absorb andy fuel tax rise.

You're trying to blame lads having a bit of fun in Latvia or Poland for a problem caused by global capitalism that won't be going away and sneering at hard working families taking a break somewhere nice.

Not Andy Naylor · Jul 30, 2019

nicko31 said:
For those with overseas assets, rich people like Jacob Rees-Mogg that moved his assets to Ireland its good times. For most people its a further reduction in purchasing power.

Five years ago USD/GBP = 1.7, 30% decline. More to go if we stick with Boris and his far right crew

All those Leave backers like Rees-Mogg who have shorted the pound will be loving today's figures. As usual, the rich have used the votes of the poor to increase their own wealth.

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