[Politics] Brexit

JC Footy Genius said:

Democracy in the UK has been redefined to be more in keeping with EU norms (ignore the electorate if they give the wrong answer) .When has the losing side (that previously made clear this was a once in a lifetime choice) ever insisted democratic results aren't enacted and demand we all vote again?

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JC Footy Genius said:

The same as most elections Remain still had an overwhelming advantage. Unfortunately far too many people on here are happy to ignore the numerous Remain poltician liars, hypocrites and support politicians lying to the public and reneging on promises as long as they get their way. Shameful



What is your other way 'forward' revoke?

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The Rivet said:

What I as a leaver might think, go on, what do you think I want and therefore might think.

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JC Footy Genius said:

It says no deal is better than a bad deal ....

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The Rivet said:

At least 450 MPs and most of the house of lords are dictating. A thousand people frustrating the will of the biggest turn out in voting history! They ARE dictators. Remainers as a whole are dictatorial. It's an f'ing joke.

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JC Footy Genius said:

At least that referendum would technically be honouring the first result but I wouldn't support it because as everyone agreed before the vote there was only ever meant to be one. Plus the likely split in leave voter preferences while most remain voters would pile on the Norway option would make the whole process a foregone conclusion anyway.

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JC Footy Genius said:

The Government saying it doesn't make it true. How can it be the best deal if it can't get anywhere near a majority in parliament?

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DavidinSouthampton said:

Oh isn't it all such jolly fun!

As my mother always used to say: "It will all come out in the wash".

The whole situation is so farcical, I just don't know how anybody can take any of it seriously any more. We have had two conservative Prime Ministers in a row who have just made a right royal mess of everything. Can anyone now take them at all as the natural party of government , which is what they always purported to be. They are not on the side of business. They are not on the side of the people. Whose side are they on?

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Chief Wiggum said:

One of the common arguments I hear on a regular basis is that leavers did not know what they were voting for. The same could be said for those who voted remain. Did they know what they were really voting for?

The accepted direction of travel of the EU is ever closer political union. The Lisbon treaty will inevitably have to be changed by further treaty in order to progress this ever closer union and to tighten the rules of membership. If the UK remains then we will be expected to become full members of the EU as it moves towards full convergence by 2025. The U.K. can therefore expect to have to accept some or all of the following within the next two to ten years.


1) Losing its rebate.
2) Joining Schengen.
3) Joining the euro.
4) Uniform corporate and personal taxation.
5) Uniform regulation of financial services.
6) EU jurisprudence.
7) Budgetary supervision by an EU treasury.
8) Formalised EU armed forces, operational and procurement structures.
9) EU foreign, defence and security policies taking precedence over national forces and policies.
10) Mandatory migrant quotas.
11) Removal of Article 50.
12) Other transfers of competencies from member states to the EU, i.e. further losses of sovereignty.

I get the impression that many remain voters voted for the status quo. That is not possible if you consider the direction the EU is traveling. If you voted remain and accept these as possible outcomes and accept that the EU represents technocratic supra-nationalism, then I have no problem with that whatsoever. Personally I prefer sovereign national democracy but each to their own.

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Chief Wiggum said:

One of the common arguments I hear on a regular basis is that leavers did not know what they were voting for. The same could be said for those who voted remain. Did they know what they were really voting for?

The accepted direction of travel of the EU is ever closer political union. The Lisbon treaty will inevitably have to be changed by further treaty in order to progress this ever closer union and to tighten the rules of membership. If the UK remains then we will be expected to become full members of the EU as it moves towards full convergence by 2025. The U.K. can therefore expect to have to accept some or all of the following within the next two to ten years.


1) Losing its rebate.
2) Joining Schengen.
3) Joining the euro.
4) Uniform corporate and personal taxation.
5) Uniform regulation of financial services.
6) EU jurisprudence.
7) Budgetary supervision by an EU treasury.
8) Formalised EU armed forces, operational and procurement structures.
9) EU foreign, defence and security policies taking precedence over national forces and policies.
10) Mandatory migrant quotas.
11) Removal of Article 50.
12) Other transfers of competencies from member states to the EU, i.e. further losses of sovereignty.

I get the impression that many remain voters voted for the status quo. That is not possible if you consider the direction the EU is traveling. If you voted remain and accept these as possible outcomes and accept that the EU represents technocratic supra-nationalism, then I have no problem with that whatsoever. Personally I prefer sovereign national democracy but each to their own.

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Mental Lental said:

Sorry, I used the word veto when I should have said opt-out.....

https://politick.co.uk/uk-opt-outs-from-eu-legislation/

The fact that here we are 3 years and 83k posts later, and we have someone trying to "contribute" to this thread that STILL isn't aware of the UK's existing safeguards against further EU integration defies belief.

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Chief Wiggum said:

One of the common arguments I hear on a regular basis is that leavers did not know what they were voting for. The same could be said for those who voted remain. Did they know what they were really voting for?

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Chief Wiggum said:

One of the common arguments I hear on a regular basis is that leavers did not know what they were voting for. The same could be said for those who voted remain. Did they know what they were really voting for?

The accepted direction of travel of the EU is ever closer political union. The Lisbon treaty will inevitably have to be changed by further treaty in order to progress this ever closer union and to tighten the rules of membership. If the UK remains then we will be expected to become full members of the EU as it moves towards full convergence by 2025. The U.K. can therefore expect to have to accept some or all of the following within the next two to ten years.


1) Losing its rebate.
2) Joining Schengen.
3) Joining the euro.
4) Uniform corporate and personal taxation.
5) Uniform regulation of financial services.
6) EU jurisprudence.
7) Budgetary supervision by an EU treasury.
8) Formalised EU armed forces, operational and procurement structures.
9) EU foreign, defence and security policies taking precedence over national forces and policies.
10) Mandatory migrant quotas.
11) Removal of Article 50.
12) Other transfers of competencies from member states to the EU, i.e. further losses of sovereignty.

I get the impression that many remain voters voted for the status quo. That is not possible if you consider the direction the EU is traveling. If you voted remain and accept these as possible outcomes and accept that the EU represents technocratic supra-nationalism, then I have no problem with that whatsoever. Personally I prefer sovereign national democracy but each to their own.

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Mental Lental said:

The fact that here we are 3 years and 83k posts later, and we have someone trying to "contribute" to this thread that STILL isn't aware of the UK's existing safeguards against further EU integration defies belief.

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