Machiavelli
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My lame excuse is exploring alternatives to minimise the environmental impact. You might be astonished to find that we survived as a species without cows milk for a lot longer than we have done with it.
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[Food] Non-milk milk
- Thread starter Bozza
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My lame excuse is exploring alternatives to minimise the environmental impact. You might be astonished to find that we survived as a species without cows milk for a lot longer than we have done with it.
Nottseagull
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And therein lies the reason so many people are intolerant to it.
Don't suppose your boy approves of your choice of a fine looking Highland Coo as your avatar!
Bod
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- Dec 8, 2015
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I’ve never been so pleased to see the words “oat milk” in a sentence
Heffle Gull
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Barham's tash
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I think I knew that already actually but I Bloody love the stuff!
Now sadly if you’re drinking soy milk you’re kidding yourself about lesser environmental impact - deforestation, incredibly poor wage to producers, massively high food miles and energetically wasteful processing - to name just a few issues.
Machiavelli
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I think you're wrong on soya milk, but it's not something that I touch. Refer to post 9 of this thread for (some of) my habits which, before you point it out, I acknowledge are deeply flawed.
robinsonsgrin
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used to drink rice milk....then seemed to disappear from shelves and returned uber expensive!
Barham's tash
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Stats show you may be right about energetically wasteful production [cow’s milk uses 3 to 4 times more water] but the other issues are incredibly real. For example UK manufacturing of soy milk uses 50% soy beans imported from Brazil and 30-40% from Middle East/Eastern Europe.
Re post #9 I like your thinking which seems measured and fair.
I guess overall my concern like any modern construct is the prevalence of confirmation bias in decision making processes and general ignorance and misconceptions.
Do it for health reasons or ethical reasons sure but don’t because you think it’s more sustainable or environmentally friendly because there’s always likely to be a quid pro quo.
I had a quick look and found one report that says most soybeans are used for animal feed. So in a roundabout way drinking cows’ milk may use more soybeans than drinking soy milk. I’d need to research this more to see if this really is the case.
AnotherArch
Northern Exile
In the office at work there are vegans and vegetarians, so the fridge has up to 6 different types of milk, so the brewing up round is a nightmare! Add to that all the fruit teas/'infusions', then teabag left in/out and it does my head in. Almost into spreadsheet territory - or perhaps Alexa would know. 'When I was a boy' as brew-boy in a builders yard it was much easier - a huge teapot, one tea bag per person plus one for the pot. And never wash out the teapot! Fortunately, coffee still comes out of a jar by spoon, even though there are two types. If they ever get a coffee machine and all that faffing about, then I will retire.
colonies man
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- Jul 30, 2011
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Almond/soya what happened to drink a pint of milk a day.Man up .Jesus wept.
Machiavelli
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I'm rarely described as measured and fair, and am not entirely sure I like the description!
I will disagree on your last point, though. It just is the case that certain foods (and certain behaviours, eg flying, turning up your thermostat, driving too much) have a more detrimental environmental impact than others. The notion that they're all as bad as each other is deeply problematic, whether applied to foodstuffs or politicians.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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Agreed: just imagine if we applied the same notion to football clubs. (Although, actually...………)
Garry Nelson's teacher
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46654042
Interesting data on the environmental impact of milk and non-milk. Pretty much vindicates the decision of those who switch to the latter on environmental grounds.
Interesting data on the environmental impact of milk and non-milk. Pretty much vindicates the decision of those who switch to the latter on environmental grounds.
Barham's tash
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Whilst I take on board the general theme I’m not sure ‘land use’ as a measure of environmental impact is in the same spirit as water consumption or emissions. The article is perhaps a poor representation of the scientific study conclusions which I will read with interest.
For anyone interested:
https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:b...d+Manuscript.pdf&type_of_work=Journal+article
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