[Albion] Sacking Hughton and racial implications

sussex_guy2k2 said:

I keep wondering about this element. What is enough? In 2011, 86% of the country was white. Now that may very well have changed (in fact, I imagine it has!), but that equates to around 10 BAME managers across the 72 clubs. Funnily enough, only 3.3% of the population was from black ethnic groups which equates to about 2.5 jobs, which were easily covered for much of this season by Campbell, Hughton, Chris Powell and Moore. The group who are most affected are the Asian community who don't have anyone managing in this country as far as I can tell. So what is enough? And how can coaches of other ethnicities be encouraged into management?

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Leegull said:

“When players like Danny Rose say there is no point taking your badges, here’s an example of the reasons why”

For me that was the point that he crossed the line and implied that the sacking of Chris could have been linked to the colour of his skin. We all know that Danny Rose was talking solely about racism in football..

I’ve no problem with anything else that Darren has said on the subject, he’s entitled to his opinion like we all are but I personally think that the direction taken here in directly linking the sacking to that Danny Rose interview was wrong.

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seagull_special said:

The problem is made worse by the fact that you now run the risk of being accused of discrimination if you sack a BAME manager making it less attractive to clubs to address a serious imbalance.

Kick it Out have apologized unreservedly and quite frankly they should be ashamed of Troy Townsend’s comments as he has put their cause back.

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Brighton Lines said:

He hasn't said it was racially motivated.

'Chris Hughton's sacking at Brighton was not because of the colour of his skin - but his exit leaves us with just two black managers in 92 clubs'

He, like Townsend, was showing their frustration at where an (in their view) poor decision has scuppered the flagship for BAME involvement.

I get it. That's why I'm not going to get angry about it. The debate is on the dismissal itself (Possibly the correct one- time will tell) and the timing of the announcement (I thought a bit poor).

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

I keep wondering about this element. What is enough? In 2011, 86% of the country was white. Now that may very well have changed (in fact, I imagine it has!), but that equates to around 10 BAME managers across the 72 clubs. Funnily enough, only 3.3% of the population was from black ethnic groups which equates to about 2.5 jobs, which were easily covered for much of this season by Campbell, Hughton, Chris Powell and Moore. The group who are most affected are the Asian community who don't have anyone managing in this country as far as I can tell. So what is enough? And how can coaches of other ethnicities be encouraged into management?

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father_and_son said:

Thought the same... I don't think you can necessarily base it on the general population. [Disclaimer: I have no idea of the numbers for any of this!]

Perhaps it should be measured against players? I know not every manager was a player, but most were, so should we be aspiring to a similar make up of managers as we have of players... isn't that the measure of what progression is available to you in your profession? [Assuming of course that you consider being manager as the "top" job available to the average youth team player]

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Nixonator said:

Equal distribution irrespective of individual competance and/or national demographic.

Equal opportunity should be forever sought, but amending outcomes is a dangerous game. We are entering the world of identity group quotas now. Buckle up.

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sussex_guy2k2 said:

But then you have to ask why groups that are bigger than, say, the black ethnic groups aren't being represented within our football enough in order to fall into this category. It definitely doesn't feel like there's an easy answer. I agree in principle with what you're saying.

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Brighton Lines said:

He hasn't said it was racially motivated.

'Chris Hughton's sacking at Brighton was not because of the colour of his skin - but his exit leaves us with just two black managers in 92 clubs'

He, like Townsend, was showing their frustration at where an (in their view) poor decision has scuppered the flagship for BAME involvement.

I get it. That's why I'm not going to get angry about it. The debate is on the dismissal itself (Possibly the correct one- time will tell) and the timing of the announcement (I thought a bit poor).

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Brighton Lines said:

I understand, but he has addressed this now. I think it's good to stand back a little. Hughton's sacking has provoked an emotional response as he was so important to BAME representation. That's why I think a little reflection is called for. It's clear that the inferences that it was because of his skin colour are being rolled back now.

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Iggle Piggle said:

I disagree. If you said something emotional like 'I'm glad that (insert racist comment) manager is gone' you'd rightly be pillared for being racist. Turning that on its head, why is snidely and wrongly accusing someone of being racist ok - given its a label that can stick and lose people jobs - given they were a bit upset about the situation? Troy Townsend tweet about Ashworth was a low blow and rightly been retracted. Lewis's tweet is at best misguided.

We are one of the most inclusive clubs in the country. It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the situation by insinuating we are anything but.

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Brighton Lines said:

I don't know what he said about him.

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Iggle Piggle said:

Lewis's tweet is at best misguided.

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Springal said:

He implied that Mark Sampson time at the FA happened under Ashworth watch. And now Hughton has been sacked a few months after we have hired Ashworth.

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Tooting Gull said:

He did. If he does that about Hughton having slagged off his tactics for months, the bloke is 100 per cent a total tool.

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Bob'n'weave said:

No it's not. Managers come and go all the time, and it won't be long before CH gets another club. So no, its not a 'blow to BAME representation' because he is still a professional football manager, who is now doing what every other football manager on planet football does when it goes wrong at a club - find another one.

Bringing race into the sacking of CH is sending the wrong message out. If you sack a black manager your club will be labelled racist. Great job for motivating clubs to take on BAME managers, way to go.

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Kneon Light said:

When you start the season with 4 BAME managers and by the end of the season it s down to 2 of course that is a blow to BAME representation.
Losing 50% of Premier League BAME managers is also a blow to BAME representation.

That's not to say the managers should not have been sacked (they were clearly both sacked for football reasons) but clearly the percentage of BAME managers going down is a blow.

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