pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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IMO you are over reacting and/or have expectations which cant be met as quickly as you would like.
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[Politics] Brexit
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IMO you are over reacting and/or have expectations which cant be met as quickly as you would like.
Falmer Flutter ©
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I bet you're the sort of person that says "another thing coming" as well.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
I've never said that, 'another think coming' maybe in the past.
https://www.brittanyferriesfreight.co.uk/ferry-routes/ireland/roscoff-cork
Roscoff to Cork is a 13 hour crossing, with only 2 sailings per week.
pastafarian
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It was a straight forward enough question. Grow up.
It was an easy enough question for you, if you have no idea which democratic procedures have been scrapped by Johnson to impose the will of the leader then you have answered your own question as to what events havnt happened.
And there was me thinking all along that the relevant matter was parliament taking back control of the law making processes that have been ceded to Brussels, and was never about parliament taking control of business of the house away from the executive……..quite amusing to see a handful of people never understood this and think it was.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/
A list from a poster that was being sold in the gift shop, that was never part of an exhibit and which they no longer sell.
Compiled by someone who describes themselves as an amateur historian.......you only have to read it to notice it is indeed very amateurish
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Even more reason for a third referendum.
Also, there has been no vote in Parliament to revoke Article 50, it’s the method of leaving, MPs even the leavers,have voted against not the actual leaving.
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pastafarian
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We have already decided not to remain and now you want to split the leave vote for your own ends against the option already ruled out?, why stop at three options. Lets split the remain vote as well just for giggles….only fair isn’t it
A/ Remain in the EU and forge ahead fully with all project EU
B/ Remain in the EU but reform the EU more to the liking of the UK
C/ Leave with no deal
D/ Leave with a withdrawal agreement
Sure you are aware we have done your first question already, all you are saying is you want the first question done again because you didn’t like the orifinal answer given. Since we have completed question 1 lets move onto question 2 then
How should we leave
A/ Leave with a deal
or
B/Leave without a deal
Brilliant, another version of how to do it
Im starting to get the impression the second referendumers will never even agree to a formula they can agree on
Let's be nice. Respectfully, you've either not read my post or you have misunderstood it. The two phase vote was proposed precisely to prevent the leave vote being split. It then allows the most popular version of leave to go through to the run off stage. I even proposed a delay between polls because this provides the leave groups with an opportunity to campaign for the eventual preferred option, rather than having to split its resources between two possibilities in a one off referendum. I would argue this is natural justice, given that leave won the 2016 vote.
And before you accuse me of simply wanting to stay in by stealth, if you read my post you would have seen that I was content to see us leave in March. Parliament is now paralysed and unable to deliver another form of leave, which is why I suggested the new vote.
If you have a better idea, fill your boots but I suspect Parliament won't be able or prepared to deliver it.
pastafarian
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There are NO WTO rules that require a member government to secure their border.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I'm guessing that simply ignoring what has been written is far easier having to edit other peoples posts before quoting them
I knew [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] wouldn't. Mind you, I knew [MENTION=18559]dingodan[/MENTION] wouldn't either.
It's funny, bashlsdir loves to take great offence if you take a view on his limited will/ability to answer questions coherently, but when presented with real debate, he runs away. Absolutely pathetic.
As for dingodan, well he acts like he's above all that analysis nonsense. He's a conspirasist who doesn't need to bother with actual in-depth reasoning. It's far too much like pointless hard work I'm sure.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Think yourself lucky that he just leaves it at not reading what's in your posts. In the past, he's actually edited my posts and then quoted his edited versions to try and support his argument
(To tell the truth, his posts are such an utter irrelevance now, I can't even be arsed to check)
pastafarian
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I understood it perfectly thanks, by having remain on that ballot you split the leave vote v remain......lets no forget we have already decided NOT to remain, but if you insist on ignoring that aspect lets split the remain vote with those who are not massive fans of the EU but insist we should however stay in and reform it to suit what we like (quite a few on here) and those that think the EU is wonderful and we should fully embrace it.......lets have how should we remain as two options as well.
Alternatively lets just let parliament and the executive do what they are supposed to be doing and sort out delivering the decision to leave as they are supposed to do and trying to do, but having difficulty
[MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] can I have your input on this please.
I'm asking as you and [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] in particular are frequently banging on about tariffs WTO and the such like that is way way above my comfort level.
It started way back on page #2425, this morning
with this from [MENTION=17322]Lenny Rider[/MENTION]:-
Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?
As I've already said where it not for Farrage's name I may well have taken that at face value, instead I found this:-
There are six major petroleum refineries in the UK, supporting around 120,000 jobs directly and contributing about £8.6bn to the economy.
The concern, which is shared by both the Scottish and Welsh governments, relates to the UK government's decision not to apply tariffs - taxes on trade - to imports of petrol in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The decision was made to lessen the inflationary impact on prices in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The current tariff on fuel imports from non-EU countries is 4.7%.
However, under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, a zero tariff rate must apply to petrol imports from all countries, opening up the UK to Russian fuel imports.
At the same time, the EU has said it will apply a tariff, under WTO rules, of 4.7% to UK exports, making the trade with, for example, Ireland "uneconomical", according to insiders.
Should you chose to help me see the positives in this situation, I should say the investigating continued into a few other articles dispelling some other 'facts' along the way.
I'm asking as you and [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] in particular are frequently banging on about tariffs WTO and the such like that is way way above my comfort level.
It started way back on page #2425, this morning
with this from [MENTION=17322]Lenny Rider[/MENTION]:-Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?
As I've already said where it not for Farrage's name I may well have taken that at face value, instead I found this:-
There are six major petroleum refineries in the UK, supporting around 120,000 jobs directly and contributing about £8.6bn to the economy.
The concern, which is shared by both the Scottish and Welsh governments, relates to the UK government's decision not to apply tariffs - taxes on trade - to imports of petrol in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The decision was made to lessen the inflationary impact on prices in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The current tariff on fuel imports from non-EU countries is 4.7%.
However, under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, a zero tariff rate must apply to petrol imports from all countries, opening up the UK to Russian fuel imports.
At the same time, the EU has said it will apply a tariff, under WTO rules, of 4.7% to UK exports, making the trade with, for example, Ireland "uneconomical", according to insiders.
Should you chose to help me see the positives in this situation, I should say the investigating continued into a few other articles dispelling some other 'facts' along the way.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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You're absolutely right. I voted Tory in 2015 and 2017 because I wanted fox hunting brought back. The government have done nothing in spite of their promises and the joyous pleasure of killing small animals is being denied to me. IT'S DISGUSTING. I SHALL NEVER VOTE AGAIN.
Same principle.
pastafarian
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I'm guessing that simply ignoring what has been written is far easier having to edit other peoples posts before quoting them
It splits the Leave option when you have it versus remain, because you dont want to believe it actually does is an opinion you have convinced yourself is true
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Why did you want such a barbaric thing? How odd.
- Jul 10, 2003
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[MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] can I have your input on this please.
I'm asking as you and [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] in particular are frequently banging on about tariffs WTO and the such like that is way way above my comfort level.
It started way back on page #2425, this morning
Not a huge fan of his but good point from Farage on BBC Breakfast, the project fear lot talk of huge fuel shortages at the petrol pumps after a No Deal Brexit, but none of that fuel comes from the EU, so how will there be shortages?
As I've already said where it not for Farrage's name I may well have taken that at face value, instead I found this:-
There are six major petroleum refineries in the UK, supporting around 120,000 jobs directly and contributing about £8.6bn to the economy.
The concern, which is shared by both the Scottish and Welsh governments, relates to the UK government's decision not to apply tariffs - taxes on trade - to imports of petrol in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The decision was made to lessen the inflationary impact on prices in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The current tariff on fuel imports from non-EU countries is 4.7%.
However, under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, a zero tariff rate must apply to petrol imports from all countries, opening up the UK to Russian fuel imports.
At the same time, the EU has said it will apply a tariff, under WTO rules, of 4.7% to UK exports, making the trade with, for example, Ireland "uneconomical", according to insiders.
Should you chose to help me see the positives in this situation, I should say the investigating continued into a few other articles dispelling some other 'facts' along the way.
Far be it for me to poke my nose in but,
As part of Brexit 'no deal' planning the Government have said that they will give a zero tariff on fuel imports in order to lessen the inflationary impact on prices in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
This means that under WTO Most Favoured Nation rules, we must zero tariff fuel from anywhere in the world (including Russia).
The EU have said that they will continue to charge 4.7% on all fuel coming from outside the EU (which of course Britain will be) having a significant effect on any fuel exports to the EU (including Ireland). Of course we currently export at zero tariffs within the EU.
The UKs fuel refineries seem to think this could have a devastating effect on the six major petroleum refineries in the UK.
But I'm sure [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] knows better
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