Jackthelad
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- Mar 31, 2010
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No irony at all, a bad apple spoils the bunch...
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[News] MPs defecting to The Independent Group in parliament
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No irony at all, a bad apple spoils the bunch...
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Like yourself, if I may say so, I do not tend to vote for labour, but fully accept that over the years there have been many fine examples of moderate politicians of the left, who have been ready to compromise, and think of the country first. It must be so very hard for them - and I am sure that there are many more in the wings - to pack up and leave a party that they have cherished for many years. But as an unrepresentative, intolerant and loud minority gets an ever firmer grip, I am sure that more defections will follow. Its a real shame that the few seem to be dictating to the many . . . .
Hastings gull
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Really? says who?
Fair point ... although Corbyn's policies would have been mainstream Labour in the 60s, when they won two elections and the 70s where they won one (and drew another!). And they only lost in 1970 because of Peter Bonetti ...
Jackthelad
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Those with brains who can see Chuka Umunna is a snake.
beorhthelm
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"we" is Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, that eulogised Venezeula and want to make the comparison to their own politics.
Bold Seagull
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You could be describing either party at the moment. The ERG few dictating to the many. etc.
worthingseagull123
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Hilarious seeing Labour falling apart
This is not a labour split more the realignment of its MPs to those of most of its membership similar to the ERG members who left to join UKIP before the last election
I am really surprised at the timing and can only think the indipendat grouping is hoping to shock the political system into action regarding Brexit
I am really surprised at the timing and can only think the indipendat grouping is hoping to shock the political system into action regarding Brexit
Washie
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I find it horrifying, we basically have only one party that is electable, meaning they can do anything they want and still get into power.
Sorrel
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It will be interesting to see if 4 or 5 current Conservatives join them or not. If the Conservatives are deselected by their party I would guess they would have nothing to lose and so might do it.
The question is whether they could turn this new group into a political force. Like the SDP, they will have the Liberal party problem: two centrist parties at once don't work in the UK voting system and while they might be in favour of changing the voting system they can't do it on their own.
The question is whether they could turn this new group into a political force. Like the SDP, they will have the Liberal party problem: two centrist parties at once don't work in the UK voting system and while they might be in favour of changing the voting system they can't do it on their own.
portslade seagull
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Surely Sourbry will join them
Hastings gull
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The arrogance of this is beyond belief and is further evidence of why he is best shot of the unholy mob, that it has sadly become.
Hastings gull
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That may or may not the be the case, but that isn't the thread, though, is it?
Good post.
I don’t know why some people are in denial about anti semitism in parts of the hard left? It’s transcends party politiics. Scum at both ends of the political spectrum in the UK and now France for example, are targeting people of a tiny race/religion with violent hatred; not for the first time in the last 2,000 years!
Ernest
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Raleigh Chopper
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I have to be honest and say that I really thought that Jeremy is not an anti Semite and that it was blown up by the Tory press and party.
But it has been bothering me that they really do not seem to be getting rid of those responsible for anti semitism, very half hearted.
Listening to the breakaway MPs it seems like it is a huge problem.
I find it hard to believe that Jeremy could be racist against anyone or religion, although I do realise he supports the Palestinians and why not.
Seems it's rife in the labour party a great shame and disgusting if true.
But it has been bothering me that they really do not seem to be getting rid of those responsible for anti semitism, very half hearted.
Listening to the breakaway MPs it seems like it is a huge problem.
I find it hard to believe that Jeremy could be racist against anyone or religion, although I do realise he supports the Palestinians and why not.
Seems it's rife in the labour party a great shame and disgusting if true.
dejavuatbtn
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No doubt something he picked up from his leadership.
Bold Seagull
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1 point for deviation?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I don't think it's rife, but I do think it has been hard to deal with and the mechanisms in place are not fit for purpose in the social media age. We are talking about 1/2 million members that you have to try to hold to account and discipline. The Labour Party has a separate disciplinary group to the executive so Corbyn cannot directly get involved in cases. It must be difficult if member A writes a social media post, that is then deleted, then you have to prove that the language etc. is enough to expel them. Like certain posters on these boards, these people are very careful about the edge of acceptability they tread fully aware not to reveal their true colours too readily.
That said, perhaps this has been far bigger than the Party has been able to accept and it did need a grand gesture of policy change and reform.