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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
21,025
The arse end of Hangleton
It's all about borders.

What on earth are you talking about ? The British bases have nothing to do with the EU or our membership of the EU - try reading about The Treaty of Establishment from 1960.
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
And some Economists believe that staying in the EU is best for the short term, medium term and long term economic growth of the UK.

Namely,

Professor, Nobel Laureate George Akerlof Georgetown University and University of California, Berkeley
Professor, Nobel Laureate Kenneth Arrow Stanford University
Professor Sir, Nobel Laureate Angus Deaton Princeton Universiy
Professor, Nobel Laureate Peter Diamond Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Professor, Nobel Laureate Robert F. Engle III New York University
Professor, Nobel Laureate James Heckman University of Chicago
Professor, Nobel Laureate Eric Maskin Harvard University
Professor, Nobel Laureate Daniel McFadden University of Southern California and University of California, Berkeley
Professor Emeritus Sir, Nobel Laureate James Mirrlees University of Cambridge
Professor Sir, Nobel Laureate Christopher A. Pissarides London School of Economics
Professor Emeritus, Nobel Laureate Robert Solow Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Professor, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz Columbia University

Professor Lord, President of the British Academy Nicholas Stern London School of Economics
Professor Lord Richard Layard London School of Economics
Lord Gus O'Donnell Former Cabinet Secretary
Professor Sir Anthony Atkinson London School of Economics and University of Oxford
Professor Sir Richard Blundell University College London and Institute for Fiscal Studies
Professor Sir David Hendry University of Oxford
Professor Sir John Hills London School of Economics
Professor Sir Richard Jolly University of Sussex
Professor, CBE David Blanchflower Former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Professor, CBE Charles Goodhart London School of Economics
Professor, CBE Anthony Venables University of Oxford
Professor, OBE Diane Coyle University of Manchester
Professor and Pro Vice Chancellor Nigel Healey Nottingham Trent University
Professor and Deputy Pro Vice Chancellor Stephen Hall University of Leicester
Professor and Head of School of Economics Simon Clark University of Edinburgh
Professor, Director John Van Reenen Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
Executive Director Eric Beinhocker Institute for New Economic Thinking, University of Oxford

Professor Robert Ackrill Nottingham Trent University
Professor Ali Al-Nowaihi University of Leicester
Professor Guido Ascari University of Oxford
Professor Roger Backhouse University of Birmingham
Professor Oriana Bandiera LSE
Professor Emeritus Ray Barrell Brunel University London
Professor Timothy Besley London School of Economics
Professor Arnab Bhattacharjee Heriot-Watt University
Professor Holger Breinlich University of Nottingham
Professor Robin Burgess London School of Economics
Professor Simon Burgess University of Bristol
Professor Nauro Campos Brunel University London
Professor Wendy Carlin University College London
Professor Mark Casson University of Reading
Professor Alec Chrystal Cass Business School
Professor David Cobham Heriot-Watt University
Professor Matt Cole University of Birmingham
Professor Tatiana Damjanovic Durham University
Professor Gianni De Fraja University of Nottingham
Professor Manthos Delis University of Surrey
Professor Sanjit Dhami University of Leicester
Professor Huw David Dixon Cardiff Business School
Professor Martin Ellison University of Oxford
Professor Christian-Oliver Ewald University of Glasgow
Professor J. Doyne Farmer University of Oxford
Professor John Fender University of Birmingham
Professor Martin Fransman University of Edinburgh
Professor Aditya Goenka University of Birmingham
Professor Ian Goldin University of Oxford
Professor Monica Giulietti University of Loughborough
Professor Ed Hopkins University of Edinburgh
Professor Christos Ioannidis University of Bath
Professor Peter Jackson University of Leicester
Professor Beata Javorcik University of Oxford
Professor Geraint Johnes Lancaster University
Professor Uma Kambhampati University of Reading
Professor Tatiana Kirsanova University of Glasgow
Professor Paul Levine University of Surrey
Professor Ben Lockwood University of Warwick
Professor Steve Machin University College London
Professor James Malley University of Glasgow
Professor Christopher Martin University of Bath
Professor Mariana Mazzucato University of Sussex
Professor Sandra McNally University of Surrey
Professor Costas Milas University of Liverpool
Professor Giordano Mion University of Sussex
Professor Hassan Molana University of Dundee
Professor Catia Montagna Aberdeen Business School
Professor John Muellbauer University of Oxford
Professor Anastasia Nesvetailova City University of London
Professor Ozlem Onaran University of Greenwich
Professor Gulcin Ozkan University of York
Professor Keith Pilbeam City University of London
Professor Graham Room University of Bath
Professor JMC Santos-Silva University of Surrey
Professor Stuart Sayer University of Edinburgh
Professor Emeritus Peter Sinclair University of Birmingham
Professor Frank Skinner Brunel University
Professor Peter Smith University of York
Professor Chris Starmer University of Nottingham
Professor Peter Spencer University of York
Professor Jakub Steiner University of Edinburgh
Professor Margaret Stevens University of Oxford
Professor Emeritus Frances Stewart University of Oxford
Professor Alan Sutherland University of St Andrews
Professor Robert Taylor University of Essex
Professor Christoph Thoenissen The University of Sheffield
Professor Ian Tonks University of Bath
Professor Jan Toporowski University of London
Professor Mehmet Ugur University of Greenwich
Professor Leighton Vaughan Williams Nottingham Trent University
Professor John Wilson University of St Andrews
Professor David Vines University of Oxford
Professor Emeritus John Weeks University of London
Professor Robert Witt University of Surrey
Professor Simon Wren-Lewis University of Oxford
Professor Tony Yates University of Birmingham
Professor Daniel Zizzo Newcastle University

Associate Professor Simon Appleton University of Nottingham
Associate Professor Christopher Bowdler University of Oxford
Associate Professor Alesandra Ferrari University of Reading
Associate Professor Andrea Ferrero University of Oxford
Associate Professor Daniela Gabor UWE Bristol
Associate Professor Christos Kolympiris University of Bath
Associate Professor Alexander Mihailov University of Reading
Associate Professor Thijs van Rens University of Warwick
Assistant Professor Ralf Martin Imperial College

Dr Federica Alberti University of Portsmouth
Mr Colin Ash University of Reading
Dr. Peter Backus University of Manchester
Dr. Abigail Barr University of Nottingham
Dr Jo Blanden University of Surrey
Dr Peter Bloom The Open University
Dr. Yang Bo Swansea University
Dr Gianna Boero University of Warwick
Dr. Sean Brocklebank University of Edinburgh
Dr. Cristiano Cantore University of Surrey
Dr. Joanna Clifton-Sprigg University of Bath
Dr. Agelos Delis Aston University
Dr. Matt Dickson University of Bath
Dr. Marco Ercolani University of Birmingham
Dr. Jan Fidrmuc Brunel University
Dr. Maria Garcia-Alonso University of Kent
Dr. Chryssi Giannitsarou University of Cambridge
Dr. Sara Gorgoni University of Greenwich
Dr. Liam Graham University College London
Dr Adelina Gschwandtner University of Kent
Dr. Ian Gregory-Smith University of Sheffield
Dr. Jan Grobovsek University of Edinburgh
Dr. Tom Holden University of Surrey
Dr. Peter Holmes University of Sussex
Dr. John Houston Glasgow Caledonian University
Dr. Ethan Ilzetzki London School of Economics
Dr. Adi Imsirovic University of Surrey
Dr. Gregory James Loughborough University
Dr Sarah Jewell University of Reading
Dr. Chris Jones Aston Business School
Dr. Alexander Karalis Isaac University of Warwick
Dr. Tatiana Kornienko University of Edinburgh
Dr. Sarolta Laczó University of Surrey
Dr. Neil Lancastle De Montfort University
Dr. Joao Madeira University of York
Dr. Sara Maioli Newcastle University
Dr. Alexander Mandilaras University of Surrey
Mr. John Marsh Nottingham Trent University
Dr. Frederico Martellosio University of Surrey
Dr. Jolian McHardy University of Sheffield
Dr. Antonio Mele University of Surrey
Dr. Andrew Mell University of Oxford
Dr. Damon Morris University of Sheffield
Dr. David Morris Aston Business School
Dr. Nicholas Myers University of Edinburgh
Dr. Antonio Navas University of Sheffield
Dr. Kyriakos Neanidis University of Manchester
Dr. Juan Paez-Farrell University of Sheffield
Dr Stefania Paredes Fuentes University of Warwick
Dr. Jonathan Perraton University of Sheffield
Dr. Andrew Pickering University of York
Dr. Dimitra Politi University of Edinburgh
Dr. and Deputy Head of Dept. Peter Postl University of Bath
Dr. J. James Reade University of Reading
Dr. Pontus Rendahl University of Cambridge
Dr. (Assoc Dean Research) Patricia Rice University of Oxford
Dr. Mary Robertson University of Greenwich
Dr. Raffaele Rossi University of Manchester
Dr. Tomás Rotta University of Greenwich
Dr. Jeff Round University of Bristol
Dr. Colin Rowat University of Birmingham
Dr. Ozge Senay University of St. Andrews
Dr. Kavita Sirichand Loughborough University
Dr Samue Smithers Department of Work and Pensions
Dr. Christian Soegaard University of Warwick
Dr. Michalis Stamatogiannis University of Liverpool
Dr. Radek Stefanski University of St. Andrews
Dr. Frank Strobel University of Birmingham
Dr Roman Sustek Queen Mary, University of London
Dr Nicole Tabasso University of Surrey
Dr. William Tayler Lancaster University
Dr. Emma Tominey University of York
Dr Gianpiero Torrisi University of Portsmouth
Dr. Flavio Toxvaerd University of Cambridge
Dr. Kei Tsutsui University of Bath
Dr. Sam Wills University of Oxford
Dr. Robert Zymek University of Edinburgh
Professor Nicholas Bloom Stanford University
Professor Philippe Aghion Harvard University

:shrug:

How did they feel about us joining the ERM,or the Euro?Did they predict the 2008 meltdown?(Did they hell.)
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Yes. Have you got an argument to explain why you think it is a trap?

Because Labour will now be accused of being to blame if there's a lengthy A50 delay or a no deal from not backing May's deal and if in the unlikely event they do agree to a deal, they run the risk of breaking apart due to a 2nd vote not happening or happening resulting from it, as applicable, amongst their parliamentary party and wider membership.

Having sent that letter, I'd tell May to do one now if I were them.
 


Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,957
Crawley
How do you know what the Remain plan was ? i guess you would have to ask Brussels would they tell you ? they make up any rules that take their fancy .

Remain was just as it is now, but with a bigger economy and David Cameron asking his Chancellor to make the next couple of budgets sweeteners for the General Election next year, which he probably could have afforded because the economy would have grown more without Brexit bollocks going on, but only probably because Chris Grayling might have spunked all the extra revenue on something.
I haven't checked, but since Brexit, we have probably had a thousand or more new bits of EU law come in, has it ruined your life?
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
How does Farage getting MEPs, for an organisation that we're leaving, threaten Labour?

I heard but the other day your fellow Brexiteer Rees-Mogg saying if European elections were held we run the risk of Stephen-Yaxley Lennon being elected for example, which is what May is also trying to imply.
 




Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,025
The arse end of Hangleton
And some Economists believe that staying in the EU is best for the short term, medium term and long term economic growth of the UK.

Namely,

Professor, Nobel Laureate George Akerlof Georgetown University and University of California, Berkeley
Professor, Nobel Laureate Kenneth Arrow Stanford University
Professor Sir, Nobel Laureate Angus Deaton Princeton Universiy
Professor, Nobel Laureate Peter Diamond Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Professor, Nobel Laureate Robert F. Engle III New York University
Professor, Nobel Laureate James Heckman University of Chicago
Professor, Nobel Laureate Eric Maskin Harvard University
Professor, Nobel Laureate Daniel McFadden University of Southern California and University of California, Berkeley
Professor Emeritus Sir, Nobel Laureate James Mirrlees University of Cambridge
Professor Sir, Nobel Laureate Christopher A. Pissarides London School of Economics
Professor Emeritus, Nobel Laureate Robert Solow Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Professor, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz Columbia University

Professor Lord, President of the British Academy Nicholas Stern London School of Economics
Professor Lord Richard Layard London School of Economics
Lord Gus O'Donnell Former Cabinet Secretary
Professor Sir Anthony Atkinson London School of Economics and University of Oxford
Professor Sir Richard Blundell University College London and Institute for Fiscal Studies
Professor Sir David Hendry University of Oxford
Professor Sir John Hills London School of Economics
Professor Sir Richard Jolly University of Sussex
Professor, CBE David Blanchflower Former member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee
Professor, CBE Charles Goodhart London School of Economics
Professor, CBE Anthony Venables University of Oxford
Professor, OBE Diane Coyle University of Manchester
Professor and Pro Vice Chancellor Nigel Healey Nottingham Trent University
Professor and Deputy Pro Vice Chancellor Stephen Hall University of Leicester
Professor and Head of School of Economics Simon Clark University of Edinburgh
Professor, Director John Van Reenen Centre for Economic Performance, London School of Economics
Executive Director Eric Beinhocker Institute for New Economic Thinking, University of Oxford

Professor Robert Ackrill Nottingham Trent University
Professor Ali Al-Nowaihi University of Leicester
Professor Guido Ascari University of Oxford
Professor Roger Backhouse University of Birmingham
Professor Oriana Bandiera LSE
Professor Emeritus Ray Barrell Brunel University London
Professor Timothy Besley London School of Economics
Professor Arnab Bhattacharjee Heriot-Watt University
Professor Holger Breinlich University of Nottingham
Professor Robin Burgess London School of Economics
Professor Simon Burgess University of Bristol
Professor Nauro Campos Brunel University London
Professor Wendy Carlin University College London
Professor Mark Casson University of Reading
Professor Alec Chrystal Cass Business School
Professor David Cobham Heriot-Watt University
Professor Matt Cole University of Birmingham
Professor Tatiana Damjanovic Durham University
Professor Gianni De Fraja University of Nottingham
Professor Manthos Delis University of Surrey
Professor Sanjit Dhami University of Leicester
Professor Huw David Dixon Cardiff Business School
Professor Martin Ellison University of Oxford
Professor Christian-Oliver Ewald University of Glasgow
Professor J. Doyne Farmer University of Oxford
Professor John Fender University of Birmingham
Professor Martin Fransman University of Edinburgh
Professor Aditya Goenka University of Birmingham
Professor Ian Goldin University of Oxford
Professor Monica Giulietti University of Loughborough
Professor Ed Hopkins University of Edinburgh
Professor Christos Ioannidis University of Bath
Professor Peter Jackson University of Leicester
Professor Beata Javorcik University of Oxford
Professor Geraint Johnes Lancaster University
Professor Uma Kambhampati University of Reading
Professor Tatiana Kirsanova University of Glasgow
Professor Paul Levine University of Surrey
Professor Ben Lockwood University of Warwick
Professor Steve Machin University College London
Professor James Malley University of Glasgow
Professor Christopher Martin University of Bath
Professor Mariana Mazzucato University of Sussex
Professor Sandra McNally University of Surrey
Professor Costas Milas University of Liverpool
Professor Giordano Mion University of Sussex
Professor Hassan Molana University of Dundee
Professor Catia Montagna Aberdeen Business School
Professor John Muellbauer University of Oxford
Professor Anastasia Nesvetailova City University of London
Professor Ozlem Onaran University of Greenwich
Professor Gulcin Ozkan University of York
Professor Keith Pilbeam City University of London
Professor Graham Room University of Bath
Professor JMC Santos-Silva University of Surrey
Professor Stuart Sayer University of Edinburgh
Professor Emeritus Peter Sinclair University of Birmingham
Professor Frank Skinner Brunel University
Professor Peter Smith University of York
Professor Chris Starmer University of Nottingham
Professor Peter Spencer University of York
Professor Jakub Steiner University of Edinburgh
Professor Margaret Stevens University of Oxford
Professor Emeritus Frances Stewart University of Oxford
Professor Alan Sutherland University of St Andrews
Professor Robert Taylor University of Essex
Professor Christoph Thoenissen The University of Sheffield
Professor Ian Tonks University of Bath
Professor Jan Toporowski University of London
Professor Mehmet Ugur University of Greenwich
Professor Leighton Vaughan Williams Nottingham Trent University
Professor John Wilson University of St Andrews
Professor David Vines University of Oxford
Professor Emeritus John Weeks University of London
Professor Robert Witt University of Surrey
Professor Simon Wren-Lewis University of Oxford
Professor Tony Yates University of Birmingham
Professor Daniel Zizzo Newcastle University

Associate Professor Simon Appleton University of Nottingham
Associate Professor Christopher Bowdler University of Oxford
Associate Professor Alesandra Ferrari University of Reading
Associate Professor Andrea Ferrero University of Oxford
Associate Professor Daniela Gabor UWE Bristol
Associate Professor Christos Kolympiris University of Bath
Associate Professor Alexander Mihailov University of Reading
Associate Professor Thijs van Rens University of Warwick
Assistant Professor Ralf Martin Imperial College

Dr Federica Alberti University of Portsmouth
Mr Colin Ash University of Reading
Dr. Peter Backus University of Manchester
Dr. Abigail Barr University of Nottingham
Dr Jo Blanden University of Surrey
Dr Peter Bloom The Open University
Dr. Yang Bo Swansea University
Dr Gianna Boero University of Warwick
Dr. Sean Brocklebank University of Edinburgh
Dr. Cristiano Cantore University of Surrey
Dr. Joanna Clifton-Sprigg University of Bath
Dr. Agelos Delis Aston University
Dr. Matt Dickson University of Bath
Dr. Marco Ercolani University of Birmingham
Dr. Jan Fidrmuc Brunel University
Dr. Maria Garcia-Alonso University of Kent
Dr. Chryssi Giannitsarou University of Cambridge
Dr. Sara Gorgoni University of Greenwich
Dr. Liam Graham University College London
Dr Adelina Gschwandtner University of Kent
Dr. Ian Gregory-Smith University of Sheffield
Dr. Jan Grobovsek University of Edinburgh
Dr. Tom Holden University of Surrey
Dr. Peter Holmes University of Sussex
Dr. John Houston Glasgow Caledonian University
Dr. Ethan Ilzetzki London School of Economics
Dr. Adi Imsirovic University of Surrey
Dr. Gregory James Loughborough University
Dr Sarah Jewell University of Reading
Dr. Chris Jones Aston Business School
Dr. Alexander Karalis Isaac University of Warwick
Dr. Tatiana Kornienko University of Edinburgh
Dr. Sarolta Laczó University of Surrey
Dr. Neil Lancastle De Montfort University
Dr. Joao Madeira University of York
Dr. Sara Maioli Newcastle University
Dr. Alexander Mandilaras University of Surrey
Mr. John Marsh Nottingham Trent University
Dr. Frederico Martellosio University of Surrey
Dr. Jolian McHardy University of Sheffield
Dr. Antonio Mele University of Surrey
Dr. Andrew Mell University of Oxford
Dr. Damon Morris University of Sheffield
Dr. David Morris Aston Business School
Dr. Nicholas Myers University of Edinburgh
Dr. Antonio Navas University of Sheffield
Dr. Kyriakos Neanidis University of Manchester
Dr. Juan Paez-Farrell University of Sheffield
Dr Stefania Paredes Fuentes University of Warwick
Dr. Jonathan Perraton University of Sheffield
Dr. Andrew Pickering University of York
Dr. Dimitra Politi University of Edinburgh
Dr. and Deputy Head of Dept. Peter Postl University of Bath
Dr. J. James Reade University of Reading
Dr. Pontus Rendahl University of Cambridge
Dr. (Assoc Dean Research) Patricia Rice University of Oxford
Dr. Mary Robertson University of Greenwich
Dr. Raffaele Rossi University of Manchester
Dr. Tomás Rotta University of Greenwich
Dr. Jeff Round University of Bristol
Dr. Colin Rowat University of Birmingham
Dr. Ozge Senay University of St. Andrews
Dr. Kavita Sirichand Loughborough University
Dr Samue Smithers Department of Work and Pensions
Dr. Christian Soegaard University of Warwick
Dr. Michalis Stamatogiannis University of Liverpool
Dr. Radek Stefanski University of St. Andrews
Dr. Frank Strobel University of Birmingham
Dr Roman Sustek Queen Mary, University of London
Dr Nicole Tabasso University of Surrey
Dr. William Tayler Lancaster University
Dr. Emma Tominey University of York
Dr Gianpiero Torrisi University of Portsmouth
Dr. Flavio Toxvaerd University of Cambridge
Dr. Kei Tsutsui University of Bath
Dr. Sam Wills University of Oxford
Dr. Robert Zymek University of Edinburgh
Professor Nicholas Bloom Stanford University
Professor Philippe Aghion Harvard University

:shrug:

So just to be clear - you're quite happy to believe experts about the suggested economic benefits of staying the EU but dismiss the experts entirely about the possibility of a 'no deal' ? :shrug:
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat


Mtoto

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2003
1,841
Where on earth did you pluck those wildly exaggerated figures from? The German equivalent of our IFS estimated that with new trade barriers the actual Initial GDP loss for Germany, France and the UK will be around 0.5% exactly the same figure is argued by Dr Graham Gudgin, senior economist at the University of Cambridge’s Centre for Business Research (CBR). And that's before we sign our first independent trade deal......so where is this fantasy 10-15% from? Surely not the project fear mongers, who've got every prediction bar none wrong and who actually had to apologise publically about wildly inaccurate predictions.

Nobody suggests the short term is going to be totally easy, but neither will lorries be parked on the M20... The long term prospects are hugely beneficial..... Ever left a job for one with better prospects?

We voted to become a second-tier economy next door to the biggest free-trade bloc in the world, at precisely the moment when the rest of the world is starting to form into trading blocs too. As a result, every single trade deal we sign, including the one with the EU, will be on worse terms than we currently have. Every one. Why? Because we will be smaller, weaker and poorer than we are now, not to mention increasingly desperate. Deals are done on the basis of where you will be when the pen hits the paper, not on where you were were you were *inside* the biggest trading bloc in the world and enjoying its considerable economic benefits.

Better prospects? When all of our trade will be on worse terms? It defies all logic and reason, so perhaps you can explain how we will ever fill the gap, never mind actually improve our position?
 




Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,957
Crawley
What was Remains plan then ? .Was it a bit to simple to just vote Remain or does Remain mean Remain .

Remain meant stay where we are, we know what that looks like we lived in it. However, anytime it looked like we might be on the move to closer union, we would have a referendum on that step being taken and moving closer, or not, and remaining where we decided to remain in 2016. That would be a binding referendum too, not a wishy washy advisory one.
 


Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,025
The arse end of Hangleton


albion68

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Oct 27, 2011
228
Remain was just as it is now, but with a bigger economy and David Cameron asking his Chancellor to make the next couple of budgets sweeteners for the General Election next year, which he probably could have afforded because the economy would have grown more without Brexit bollocks going on, but only probably because Chris Grayling might have spunked all the extra revenue on something.
I haven't checked, but since Brexit, we have probably had a thousand or more new bits of EU law come in, has it ruined your life?

Thats a lot of new bits ,depends if you want Europe to be one superstate or not i personally don`t not that i can do any thing about it ,i did have a democratic vote though but that was wasted even though leave won .
 






Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
I heard but the other day your fellow Brexiteer Rees-Mogg
:shrug:
saying if European elections were held we run the risk of Stephen-Yaxley Lennon being elected for example, which is what May is also trying to imply.
Can you just answer the question? How does that threaten Labour?
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
The only European leader still being nice to Theresa May Mark Rutte has just said her letter is not enough to secure an extension. This is going well then. :thumbsup:
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
:shrug:
Can you just answer the question? How does that threaten Labour?

You can't see how the implied possibility of the far right being elected due to an A50 extension and Labour being accused of being responsible is a threat to them then?
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
Because Labour will now be accused of being to blame if there's a lengthy A50 delay or a no deal from not backing May's deal
What are you talking about? Whether they Corbyn met May or not, Labour didn't back May's deal.

and if in the unlikely event they do agree to a deal, they run the risk of breaking apart due to a 2nd vote not happening
The Labour manifesto (on which their MPs were elected) did not offer a second referendum, so why on earth would the party break apart if we don't get one?
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
You can't see how the implied possibility of the far right being elected due to an A50 extension and Labour being accused of being responsible is a threat to them then?
Both sides of the house are in part responsible for not agreeing a deal. Labour's position is simply that the deal the conservatives have put on the table, is a shit deal, and most conservatives agree that it's a shit deal, so it's not really on Labour if the people vote for a far right candidate.
 




Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,957
Crawley
Thats a lot of new bits ,depends if you want Europe to be one superstate or not i personally don`t not that i can do any thing about it ,i did have a democratic vote though but that was wasted even though leave won .

It's mostly dull stuff that needs to be done, like defining the period, temperature and container milk has to be heated for, to, and in, to be pasteurised, how long it can be kept and in what container at what temperature before it reaches sell by or use by date. Shit no one wants to think about and means we don't have to because it's been done, and if it hasn't, we can complain to someone about it.
This is the x% of new uk laws are made in Britain bollocks, it's a truth, but nearly all of them are laws we agree to and welcome, it's just some one in Brussels has drafted it to make perfect sense and be scientifically sound, for all 28 countries. As opposed to new law made in the UK which is much more likely to be political and knee jerk, than anything coming from the EU. Find a shit bit of law that applies in the UK and I bet it is a bit drafted in Westminster.
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
What are you talking about? Whether they Corbyn met May or not, Labour didn't back May's deal.

The Labour manifesto (on which their MPs were elected) did not offer a second referendum, so why on earth would the party break apart if we don't get one?

Again, as a result of these talks on attempting to reach an agreement, Labour will now be accused of being to blame if there's a lengthy A50 delay or a no deal from not backing May's deal. Sorry I appreciate your childish pedantry affliction, so let me rephrase that so you might understand better - what is essentially always going to be seen as ultimately a Tory, Brexit deal of May's making even if some form of compromise agreement was reached (which won't happen) so the A50/No deal accusation can be thrown at them.

Their conference motion in the autumn on a 2nd referendum was quite clear. The support for it in their parliamentary party and membership, including Momentum, is quite clear and large. The tensions within their front bench and back benches is blatantly obvious, though I accept maybe not to you. If there is agreement on reaching a deal (which will be a poor deal if there is compared to the status quo) with or without a confirmatory vote there will be huge divisions and they will have to reap them.
 
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