[News] Panorama tonight will be interesting !

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 10, 2019

clapham_gull said:
Anyone who went to University in the last 10 years may have witnessed an aggressive turn like I did, but obviously depends on where you went.

Here is my very simplistic take on things.

When I first went to University in the 90s, there were pockets of good old fashioned socialism and justice but it was starting to ebb away. Around the same time football hooligans discovered ecstasy and at University (I was in Manchester) it was similar.

When I went back (around ten years as mature student) I was surprised to see the "radicalism" had returned but it was almost purely focused on Palestine. A campaign I am fully supportive of, but this appeared to be very single issue and I'm sorry to say in some parts obsessive. It had become a badge that you simply had to wear against another. "Feminists for Palestine", "Jewish Students for Palestine" etc..

This was the "South Africa" of the 2000s.

I imagine now at University the radicalism has "moved on" to LGBT issues, gender equality etc... but those from ten years ago (if still committed) have joined the ranks of the Labour party, momentum etc...

However( and this is important) many have fused their concern about Palestine with David Icke "new world order" conspiracy theories. On the basis of Israel this is where the far right and the far left have simply joined hands. The conspiracy theories of the far right have been "claimed" by the left, sorry.

I don't believe Corbyn to be anti semitic at all. He is simply an old fashioned anti-racist pro Palestine campaigner that has simply lost touch with how the "anti-Israel" have moved into some very very dodgy areas in recent years. Their language is completely indefensible.

He is in complete and utter denial as is anyone who claims that fear of antisemitism is a smear by disgruntled Tony Blair supporters.

There are pockets of the left and his party that are deeply racist. If you are truly socialist you need to disown it.

Very good post and one with which I concur, my having become a uni academic just before you became a student.

I have to say, however, that student politics was **** when I was a student in the late 70s, and has become increasingly low-sperm-count **** ever since.

I can recall my union collecting money for the Sandinistas in 76. Then they realised they didn't know how to get the money to Nicaragua (or Costa Rica, or wherever the gaucho commies had holed up). So they spent all the money....on drugs. :facepalm:

. It was only about £40, but anyway.... :lolol:

When I returned to my alma mater as staff (I have been itching to use that pharse for literally hours) it was all very insipid. After that, nothing happened.

Recently we had a mad load of alleged plagiarism (see bellcheeses thread where I detailed all the bollocks). Sufficed to say, even though some students were shafted, the union advised them to suck it up. As it happens, some outraged staff (i.e., me and some mates) will get this sorted and the besmirched* students will be exonerated. (* apologies to my lexicological acolytes for too-readily using a nifty word too soon after previous use; my bad).

So, bottom line, studen politics at the posh unis seems to be rather toothless.

Down at the former polys, however, I am sure that insurrection, dread beat an' blud are all on the lunchtime menu. But that carries as much societal force as our nipper's latest tantrum about her pants being itchy. Long gone, sadly, are the noble and justifiable days of these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unn8wIQzAeE

clapham_gull · Jul 10, 2019

Lower West Stander said:
What surprises me is that this is all coming out now.

Corbyn has a history of platform sharing with some deeply unpleasant people. His left wing socialist views are contentious but appealed to many in the leadership election. All the nasty stuff about his collaborations with the IRA, Hamas, Venezuela etc were completely ignored at the time.

These views haven’t changed and only now are people beginning to realise what sort of a guy they elected leader of the party.

I hate Boris too by the way.....

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Hold on. The Tories were quite happy to have discussions in the 80s with:

1) The IRA
2) Argentinian dictators about offloading the Falklands.

..and lie to us about it.

This has little to do with who Corbyn speaks to or has shared a platform with. The Tories have done similar in private.

This has everything to do with a small but worrying pocket of who has voted him in and advises him.

The reality is you could make a similar documentary about Farage and Boris and the ERG.

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Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 10, 2019

Lower West Stander said:
What surprises me is that this is all coming out now.

Corbyn has a history of platform sharing with some deeply unpleasant people. His left wing socialist views are contentious but appealed to many in the leadership election. All the nasty stuff about his collaborations with the IRA, Hamas, Venezuela etc were completely ignored at the time.

These views haven’t changed and only now are people beginning to realise what sort of a guy they elected leader of the party.

I hate Boris too by the way.....

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I don't think that Jezza fans or Boris fans give two wet flying ****s about whatever windcuntery the leaders have on their CVs. For this reason I am hoping that just maybe the slightly more honorable LibDems and the slightly more discerning wider electorate may give the complacent Lilliputians in the two main parties a bloody nose come next GE. I can but hope. Sadly it may be that the most damage is done by the lobotomized rat-dog with one tooth, but a very sharp tooth, called Nigel's Brexit circle-jerk party of no manifesto (get your cocks out for Queen and Thundercuntery, lads!). :facepalm:

Edit I just saw I managed to get away with slipping in two see you next Tuesdays into that post without being taken out by a rubber bullet from The Algorithm. Top work, if I say so myself :lolol:

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 10, 2019

clapham_gull said:
Hold on. The Tories were quite happy to have discussions in the 80s with:

1) The IRA
2) Argentinian dictators about offloading the Falklands.

..and lie to us about it.

This has little to do with who Corbyn speaks to or has shared a platform with. The Tories have done similar in private.

This has everything to do with a small but worrying pocket of who has voted him in and advises him.

The reality is you could make a similar documentary about Farage and Boris and the ERG.

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You are a sensible and blanced poster. I'm feeling......lurve.

LVGull · Jul 10, 2019

@earnest

clapham_gull · Jul 11, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You are a sensible and blanced poster. I'm feeling......lurve.

And that apparently places us "in the centre", which is bollocks as well.

It's all morphed into something else. The right of centre has become hijacked by a modern neo liberalism, Their hate of immigration is a lie, just there to "top the tank up" with old fashioned right wing racist voters who haven't quite caught up. They tried it with Bush in USA (somewhat failed) but have found a ****ing idiot with Trump and Brexit to make it happen.

The left of centre has equally oddly morphed into a Jewish hating Maxism. Hate all racism, except anti antisemitism which they are are best suspicious of because they suspect the Jews as being capitalist.

The only real "centre ground" mainstream concerns now are green issues on which both left and right are ambivalent.

Titanic · Jul 11, 2019

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Live by the sea · Jul 11, 2019

I think the main problem here is that almost all of the advisers and people that are in the Corbyn inner circle share his warped mindset that Jewish people are somehow all very successful and trying to run the country in secret. I know several Jewish people, some are quite successful some others aren't particularly at all. It is true I think that some cultures including Jewish people put a lot of emphasis on education and I believe that is actually a good thing not something to scoff at or deride.

Basically this type of mindset is quite similar to Hitler's where he kept telling people that Jewish people were too clever and mischievous and were trying to take over the running of Germany.

All extremely sad that almost 90 years later some very extreme left wing Corbyn supporters are still repeating this same garbage. I'm not surprised that all the mainstream labour MP's & their supporters are so disgusted by this, it completely undermines the credibility of Labour as a non racist party.

Corbyn and his close advisers need to go and labour needs to get a new leadership that is moderate left wing and has a wide ranging appeal to all people.

The majority of Jewish.voters before Corbyn took over supported the Labour party . In America again the majority of Jewish voters support the Democrats.

beorhthelm · Jul 11, 2019

Titanic said:
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all just paper talk though isnt it?

Hamilton · Jul 11, 2019

Live by the sea said:
I think the main problem here is that almost all of the advisers and people that are in the Corbyn inner circle share his warped mindset that Jewish people are somehow all very successful and trying to run the country in secret. I know several Jewish people, some are quite successful some others aren't particularly at all. It is true I think that some cultures including Jewish people put a lot of emphasis on education and I believe that is actually a good thing not something to scoff at or deride.

Basically this type of mindset is quite similar to Hitler's where he kept telling people that Jewish people were too clever and mischievous and were trying to take over the running of Germany.

All extremely sad that almost 90 years later some very extreme left wing Corbyn supporters are still repeating this same garbage. I'm not surprised that all the mainstream labour MP's & their supporters are so disgusted by this, it completely undermines the credibility of Labour as a non racist party.

Corbyn and his close advisers need to go and labour needs to get a new leadership that is moderate left wing and has a wide ranging appeal to all people.

The majority of Jewish.voters before Corbyn took over supported the Labour party . In America again the majority of Jewish voters support the Democrats.

I note this week that those Brits of Indian heritage/origin have gone ahead of White Brits in average earnings. As you allude to above, is that down to a work ethic installed in Indian families, and should we start moaning about them just because they’ve got a set of principles that focuses on hard work.

I accept that this is a generalisation, by my point is that fear and hatred of others can sometimes stem from dissatisfaction with self.

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Ernest · Jul 11, 2019

Titanic said:
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You are a buffoon at times, none of them are Labour MP's

Titanic · Jul 11, 2019

Ernest said:
You are a buffoon at times, none of them are Labour MP's

You really are a JOKER :laugh:

Westdene Seagull · Jul 11, 2019

Ernest said:
You are a buffoon at times, none of them are Labour MP's

I think what you mean is none of them are lunatic Momentum supporting Labour MPs. Unless I've missed a general election happening recently ?

Tom Hark Preston Park · Jul 11, 2019

Terminology doesn't help one little bit. Patently Labour as a party don't hate Jewish people per se. That would be beyond absurd and totally inexcusable. There does however appear to be a solid Labour Party stance against the actions of the Israeli state against the Palestinians. Which is quite another thing, and far more understandable. At least on one level.

Chicken Run · Jul 11, 2019

Quite worrying that both the main parties are NASTY, might have to have another look at the Liberal Democrat’s!

Calling [MENTION=24872]london[/MENTION]irish for a momentum point of view.

highflyer · Jul 11, 2019

Live by the sea said:
I think the main problem here is that almost all of the advisers and people that are in the Corbyn inner circle share his warped mindset that Jewish people are somehow all very successful and trying to run the country in secret. I know several Jewish people, some are quite successful some others aren't particularly at all. It is true I think that some cultures including Jewish people put a lot of emphasis on education and I believe that is actually a good thing not something to scoff at or deride.

Basically this type of mindset is quite similar to Hitler's where he kept telling people that Jewish people were too clever and mischievous and were trying to take over the running of Germany.

All extremely sad that almost 90 years later some very extreme left wing Corbyn supporters are still repeating this same garbage. I'm not surprised that all the mainstream labour MP's & their supporters are so disgusted by this, it completely undermines the credibility of Labour as a non racist party.

Corbyn and his close advisers need to go and labour needs to get a new leadership that is moderate left wing and has a wide ranging appeal to all people.

The majority of Jewish.voters before Corbyn took over supported the Labour party . In America again the majority of Jewish voters support the Democrats.

Anti-Semitism is vile
Labour has a problem with Anti-Semitism.
Labour has failed to deal adequately with this problem.

Also

This post is so wrong as to be utterly ridiculous, and comparing the current Labour leadership with Hitler is not just offensive, but also exactly what convinces a lot of people that this is all just a smear campaign, with nothing behind it. Which is a problem in itself.

To be honest the Panorama programme last night didn't add a lot to what was already known. As per the first part of this post.

Eeyore · Jul 11, 2019

Live by the sea said:
I'm not holding out much hope that we have it all wrong and Corbyn and his close advisers are really all decent and lovely people.

It's okay, the Tories have Boris Johnson as leader elect.. Who was quick to praise Fidesz in Hungary on their election victory a while back.

A party that stood on an anti-Jewish platform.

Deleted member 2719 · Jul 12, 2019

Meanwhile, labour has reportedly lost almost all their Jewish supporters.

But I don't see many of this board backing them, you will still vote for labour.

Principles, principles, principles and most of you will laugh at me for 'shirt gate', but at least I have principles.

Have you

Come on lefties are you prepared to boycott the labour party on the next vote?

Or just keep supporting Corbyn and the jew haters?

Deleted member 2719 · Jul 12, 2019

Meanwhile, your all banging on about Boris, what about the kicking off about the Corbyn who obviously supports racists?

Live by the sea · Jul 12, 2019

I didn't say that Corbyn and his supporters were intending to start rounding up Jewish people and killing them like Hitler.but I did say.the mindset of some of his close circle and corbnistas are similar. That is true, they do perceive Jewish people to be running the 'world '..all very stupid I know but that is how Hitler started . The circumstances are completely different in the UK and even if this mindset ever turned to hatred they couldn't really act upon anyway but the mindset is still there. Every party has a few people that hold extreme views but the big influx of Marxist types into the labour party emboldened since Corbyn became leader which hold this prejudice is very worrying and no it is not present in the other 2 mainstream parties on anywhere near Labours numbers.

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