[News] Bloody Sunday - Soldier to be prosecuted

Kalimantan Gull · Mar 15, 2019

Read a bit about this today, and I'm frankly astonished nothing has been done about this before now. 14 people shot dead by our army, half of them teenagers, only one 'possibly' armed, many of them running away, crawling for cover or going to help the wounded, at least one waving a white flag. The event that escalated a horrible conflict that lasted decades. I'm ashamed that these people were representing our army, why would we want to cover it up?

atfc village · Mar 15, 2019

Johnnyboy said:
And the 7 civilians killed in the Aldershot bombing in 1972 were mainly cleaners. I’m afraid 2 wrongs never make a right.

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Including 2 of my Mothers relatives ,sorry will never never forget or forgive RIP.

Bevendean Hillbilly · Mar 15, 2019

maltaseagull said:
Perhaps they should sentence him to 20 years and then release him as part of the GFA part 2?

He got a life sentence. He's an alcoholic who hasn't slept properly in the 15 years since he demobbed. He now lives in the ROI, married a Catholic girl from Belfast and, if it weren't for her his PTSD would have driven him to suicide years ago.

He told me How the residents of East Belfast would often send their dogs to attack squaddies sitting in the back of lorries. The dogs were dragged into the back and summarily castrated before being thrown back out..his best mate shot through the head and killed in Armagh and his sergeant had his leg blown off by a roadside bomb. He suffers from these experiences in his nightmares. He always will.

Bob'n'weave · Mar 16, 2019

Apologist armageddon. We'll be paying the Germans for rebuilding Dresden next. War is war, suck it up and move on.

sydney · Mar 16, 2019

kjgood said:
Apart from the inequality of the GFA. How can people who our Government know committed awful acts of violence , far worse than these Para's have a letter to say its OK that you did this don't worry we will forget it all to make it easier to settle the Province down. Now we say to soldiers who were sent there under stupid conditions ''Oh well we don't include you in this'' only the real terrorists. Isnt our Government the Government of Northern Ireland as well. Talk about hanging our guys out to dry!

always been the way .....bureaucrats dry rooting the front line soldiers.....look at gallipoli ffs.......they landed them on the wrong beach straight into 15,000 dug in , turkish marksmen.....the allied forces had been pounding a different beach with heavy artillery all night with the express purpose of softening up the defence and clearing a path for the landing forces.......you can bet your last euro that this is just another diversionary , red herring to give the public something else to be outraged about , as if there isn't enough already ....country's ****ed.

sydney · Mar 16, 2019

Bevendean Hillbilly said:
He got a life sentence. He's an alcoholic who hasn't slept properly in the 15 years since he demobbed. He now lives in the ROI, married a Catholic girl from Belfast and, if it weren't for her his PTSD would have driven him to suicide years ago.

He told me How the residents of East Belfast would often send their dogs to attack squaddies sitting in the back of lorries. The dogs were dragged into the back and summarily castrated before being thrown back out..his best mate shot through the head and killed in Armagh and his sergeant had his leg blown off by a roadside bomb. He suffers from these experiences in his nightmares. He always will.

2 para mates from Worthing came back ....one had a paving slab dropped on his head from a car park .....the other had a petrol bomb incident which rendered his left arm useless....they had to sow it to his side to try to get it to heal ....i think they amputaded it in the end .....thats just 2 , sure there were many more , so where is the reciprocal loyalty from the ministry to these who gave theirs back then .......frankly it stenches to high heaven.

jonny.rainbow · Mar 16, 2019

The Rivet said:
And many murdered by the IRA were not military members! You stupid fella.

Thanks for the insult.

The original post I was replying to refers to the Good Friday Agreement as a reason why British soldiers should not be held to account for their actions that day. I was pointing out that the 13 civilians murdered on Bloody Sunday were not members of the IRA and the terms of the GFA are therefore an irrelevance.

jonny.rainbow · Mar 16, 2019

Bevendean Hillbilly said:
Are you sure about that. How do you know?

After the longest running public inquiry presented no evidence that any of those killed or injured were members of the IRA are posed any risk on that day, I’m going to assume they were innocent civilians. Innocent Irish Catholic civilians sure.

I think lots on here still have the prejudice that Irish Catholic = IRA.

jonny.rainbow · Mar 16, 2019

Johnnyboy said:
And the 7 civilians killed in the Aldershot bombing in 1972 were mainly cleaners. I’m afraid 2 wrongs never make a right.

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I don’t disagree.

Surely you will agree with the Saville Report that the 13 murdered did nothing wrong?
Therefore, the only wrong is that no one has been held to account for their murder?

Bruntburger · Mar 16, 2019

An old friend of mine who sadly passed at a young age once told me a story about his tour of Northern Ireland -

He was walking down the street on patrol one day when a beautiful young lady across the road smiled at him and approached him. He smiled back and when the lady came up to him he thought blimey it must be my lucky day.

Unfortunately she proceeded to spit in his face and said I hope you and your whore mother die in pain.

Just gives you an idea of the hatred felt out there at the time.

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oneillco · Mar 16, 2019

Bob'n'weave said:
Apologist armageddon. We'll be paying the Germans for rebuilding Dresden next. War is war, suck it up and move on.

Many see it as the day when "war" was declared in Northern Ireland; you can have your protest marches for civil rights but we are going to unleash unrestrained armed paratroopers on you. Can you imagine that happening anywhere else in the British isles?

Machiavelli · Mar 16, 2019

oneillco said:
Many see it as the day when "war" was declared in Northern Ireland; you can have your protest marches for civil rights but we are going to unleash unrestrained armed paratroopers on you. Can you imagine that happening anywhere else in the British isles?

I doubt it. Imagination is not something that is too forthcoming for some. Let's remain stuck in our own little silos instead.

The Clamp · Mar 16, 2019

The IRA committed some heniuos, unforgivable crimes and so did the British against the Irish. You can’t treat a nation like that and expect no comeback.
Should the soldiers be prosecuted. Probably. So should the IRA.

I fear we are walking into another mess here. My family in Belfast are sick of both sides and wish they’d all grow up and let the country get on with it.

atfc village · Mar 17, 2019

Bruntburger said:
An old friend of mine who sadly passed at a young age once told me a story about his tour of Northern Ireland -

He was walking down the street on patrol one day when a beautiful young lady across the road smiled at him and approached him. He smiled back and when the lady came up to him he thought blimey it must be my lucky day.

Unfortunately she proceeded to spit in his face and said I hope you and your whore mother die in pain.

Just gives you an idea of the hatred felt out there at the time.

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We never bow to terrorist ,sadly in Northern Ireland we did.

AmexRuislip · Jan 30, 2022

This weekend will see commemorations to mark the 50th anniversary of what is known as Bloody Sunday – 30th January, 1972, when 14 civilians were shot and killed by soldiers of the Parachute Regiment in Londonderry.
Media outlets will focus solely on those killed that day and the effect the killings had on the following years in Northern Ireland. What the media won’t give is any sort of context or background to the events of that day.
For instance, the media will not inform the public that between March 1971 and 30th January 1972, republicans terrorists had murdered 52 British soldiers.
Here is a list of those soldiers that you won’t see in the mainstream media this weekend:
1971
1. Robert Curtis - Feb 6th, 1971
2. John Lawrie, Feb 15th, 1971.
3. William Jolliffe, March 1st, 1971
4. John McCaig, March 9th, 1971
5. Joseph McCaig, March 9th, 1971
6. Dougald McCaughey, March 9th, 1971
7. Kenneth Easthaugh, March 23rd, 1971
8. Robert Bankier, May 22nd, 1971
9. Michael Willetts, May 25th, 1971
10. David Walker, July 12th 1971.
11. Richard Barton, July 14th 1971.
12. Malcolm Hatton, August 9th 1971.
13. Winston Donnell, August 9th, 1971
14. Paul Challenor, August 10 1971.
15. John Robinson, August 23 1971.
16. George Crozier, August 23 1971
17. Ian Armstrong, August 29 1971.
18. Clifford Loring, August 31 1971.
19. Francis Veitch, September 3 1971
20. John Warnock, September 6th 1971
21. Daniel Stewardson, September 9th 1971.
22. Martin Leonard Carroll, September 14th 1971.
23. Paul Carter, September 14th 1971
24. John Rudman, September 14th 1971
25. Peter Harrington, September 16th 1971
26. Peter Sharp, October 1st 1971.
27. Brian Hall, October 4th 1971.
28. Roger Wilkins, October 11th 1971
29. Joseph Hill, October 16th 1971
30. Graham Cox, October 17th 1971
31. George Hamilton, October 17th 1971
32. Angus Stephens, October 27th 1971
33. David Tilbury, October 27th 1971
34. David Powell, October 28th 1971
35. Norman Booth, October 28th, 1971
36. Ian Docherty, October 31st 1971
37. Stephen McGuire, November 4th 1971
38. Paul Genge, November 7th 1971
39. Ian Curtis, November 9th 1971
40. Edwin Charnley, November 18th 1971
41. Colin Davies, November 24th 1971
42. Paul Nicholls, November 27th 1971
43. Robert Benner, November 28th 1971
44. Denis Wilson, December 1st 1971
45. Jeremy Snow, December 8th 1971
46. Sean Russell, December 8th 1971
47. Kenneth Smyth, December 10th 1971
48. Anthony Aspinwall, December 17th 1971
49. Richard Ham, December 29th, 1971
1972
50. Keith Bryan, January 5th 1972
51. Maynard Crawford, January 13th 1972
52. Charles Stentiford, January 21st 1972

Remember them all, not only those who fit the republican narrative.

Swansman · Jan 30, 2022

AmexRuislip said:
This weekend will see commemorations to mark the 50th anniversary of what is known as Bloody Sunday – 30th January, 1972, when 14 civilians were shot and killed by soldiers of the Parachute Regiment in Londonderry.
Media outlets will focus solely on those killed that day and the effect the killings had on the following years in Northern Ireland. What the media won’t give is any sort of context or background to the events of that day.
For instance, the media will not inform the public that between March 1971 and 30th January 1972, republicans terrorists had murdered 52 British soldiers.
Here is a list of those soldiers that you won’t see in the mainstream media this weekend:
1971
1. Robert Curtis - Feb 6th, 1971
2. John Lawrie, Feb 15th, 1971.
3. William Jolliffe, March 1st, 1971
4. John McCaig, March 9th, 1971
5. Joseph McCaig, March 9th, 1971
6. Dougald McCaughey, March 9th, 1971
7. Kenneth Easthaugh, March 23rd, 1971
8. Robert Bankier, May 22nd, 1971
9. Michael Willetts, May 25th, 1971
10. David Walker, July 12th 1971.
11. Richard Barton, July 14th 1971.
12. Malcolm Hatton, August 9th 1971.
13. Winston Donnell, August 9th, 1971
14. Paul Challenor, August 10 1971.
15. John Robinson, August 23 1971.
16. George Crozier, August 23 1971
17. Ian Armstrong, August 29 1971.
18. Clifford Loring, August 31 1971.
19. Francis Veitch, September 3 1971
20. John Warnock, September 6th 1971
21. Daniel Stewardson, September 9th 1971.
22. Martin Leonard Carroll, September 14th 1971.
23. Paul Carter, September 14th 1971
24. John Rudman, September 14th 1971
25. Peter Harrington, September 16th 1971
26. Peter Sharp, October 1st 1971.
27. Brian Hall, October 4th 1971.
28. Roger Wilkins, October 11th 1971
29. Joseph Hill, October 16th 1971
30. Graham Cox, October 17th 1971
31. George Hamilton, October 17th 1971
32. Angus Stephens, October 27th 1971
33. David Tilbury, October 27th 1971
34. David Powell, October 28th 1971
35. Norman Booth, October 28th, 1971
36. Ian Docherty, October 31st 1971
37. Stephen McGuire, November 4th 1971
38. Paul Genge, November 7th 1971
39. Ian Curtis, November 9th 1971
40. Edwin Charnley, November 18th 1971
41. Colin Davies, November 24th 1971
42. Paul Nicholls, November 27th 1971
43. Robert Benner, November 28th 1971
44. Denis Wilson, December 1st 1971
45. Jeremy Snow, December 8th 1971
46. Sean Russell, December 8th 1971
47. Kenneth Smyth, December 10th 1971
48. Anthony Aspinwall, December 17th 1971
49. Richard Ham, December 29th, 1971
1972
50. Keith Bryan, January 5th 1972
51. Maynard Crawford, January 13th 1972
52. Charles Stentiford, January 21st 1972

Remember them all, not only those who fit the republican narrative.

Classy to post some "..but what about" on the 50th anniversary. Those on the list could be remembered on any day, but naturally you have to pick the one when 14 unarmed peope were killed by soldiers.

Creaky · Jan 30, 2022

AmexRuislip said:
This weekend will see commemorations to mark the 50th anniversary of what is known as Bloody Sunday – 30th January, 1972, when 14 civilians were shot and killed by soldiers of the Parachute Regiment in Londonderry.
Media outlets will focus solely on those killed that day and the effect the killings had on the following years in Northern Ireland. What the media won’t give is any sort of context or background to the events of that day.
For instance, the media will not inform the public that between March 1971 and 30th January 1972, republicans terrorists had murdered 52 British soldiers.
Here is a list of those soldiers that you won’t see in the mainstream media this weekend:
1971
1. Robert Curtis - Feb 6th, 1971
2. John Lawrie, Feb 15th, 1971.
3. William Jolliffe, March 1st, 1971
4. John McCaig, March 9th, 1971
5. Joseph McCaig, March 9th, 1971
6. Dougald McCaughey, March 9th, 1971
7. Kenneth Easthaugh, March 23rd, 1971
8. Robert Bankier, May 22nd, 1971
9. Michael Willetts, May 25th, 1971
10. David Walker, July 12th 1971.
11. Richard Barton, July 14th 1971.
12. Malcolm Hatton, August 9th 1971.
13. Winston Donnell, August 9th, 1971
14. Paul Challenor, August 10 1971.
15. John Robinson, August 23 1971.
16. George Crozier, August 23 1971
17. Ian Armstrong, August 29 1971.
18. Clifford Loring, August 31 1971.
19. Francis Veitch, September 3 1971
20. John Warnock, September 6th 1971
21. Daniel Stewardson, September 9th 1971.
22. Martin Leonard Carroll, September 14th 1971.
23. Paul Carter, September 14th 1971
24. John Rudman, September 14th 1971
25. Peter Harrington, September 16th 1971
26. Peter Sharp, October 1st 1971.
27. Brian Hall, October 4th 1971.
28. Roger Wilkins, October 11th 1971
29. Joseph Hill, October 16th 1971
30. Graham Cox, October 17th 1971
31. George Hamilton, October 17th 1971
32. Angus Stephens, October 27th 1971
33. David Tilbury, October 27th 1971
34. David Powell, October 28th 1971
35. Norman Booth, October 28th, 1971
36. Ian Docherty, October 31st 1971
37. Stephen McGuire, November 4th 1971
38. Paul Genge, November 7th 1971
39. Ian Curtis, November 9th 1971
40. Edwin Charnley, November 18th 1971
41. Colin Davies, November 24th 1971
42. Paul Nicholls, November 27th 1971
43. Robert Benner, November 28th 1971
44. Denis Wilson, December 1st 1971
45. Jeremy Snow, December 8th 1971
46. Sean Russell, December 8th 1971
47. Kenneth Smyth, December 10th 1971
48. Anthony Aspinwall, December 17th 1971
49. Richard Ham, December 29th, 1971
1972
50. Keith Bryan, January 5th 1972
51. Maynard Crawford, January 13th 1972
52. Charles Stentiford, January 21st 1972

Remember them all, not only those who fit the republican narrative.

If the 14 civilians shot and killed by British soldiers had been Republican Terrorists then your post may have had some relevance.

Leekbrookgull · Jan 30, 2022

Creaky said:
If the 14 civilians shot and killed by British soldiers had been Republican Terrorists then your post may have had some relevance.

and your point is ?

Creaky · Jan 30, 2022

Leekbrookgull said:
and your point is ?

There is no relevance between the anniversary of Bloody Sunday and the number of British soldiers murdered by terrorists - posted as a remembrance thread for those soldiers without that link would be perfectly reasonable.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jan 30, 2022

AmexRuislip said:
This weekend will see commemorations to mark the 50th anniversary of what is known as Bloody Sunday – 30th January, 1972, when 14 civilians were shot and killed by soldiers of the Parachute Regiment in Londonderry.
Media outlets will focus solely on those killed that day and the effect the killings had on the following years in Northern Ireland. What the media won’t give is any sort of context or background to the events of that day.
For instance, the media will not inform the public that between March 1971 and 30th January 1972, republicans terrorists had murdered 52 British soldiers.
Here is a list of those soldiers that you won’t see in the mainstream media this weekend:
1971
1. Robert Curtis - Feb 6th, 1971
2. John Lawrie, Feb 15th, 1971.
3. William Jolliffe, March 1st, 1971
4. John McCaig, March 9th, 1971
5. Joseph McCaig, March 9th, 1971
6. Dougald McCaughey, March 9th, 1971
7. Kenneth Easthaugh, March 23rd, 1971
8. Robert Bankier, May 22nd, 1971
9. Michael Willetts, May 25th, 1971
10. David Walker, July 12th 1971.
11. Richard Barton, July 14th 1971.
12. Malcolm Hatton, August 9th 1971.
13. Winston Donnell, August 9th, 1971
14. Paul Challenor, August 10 1971.
15. John Robinson, August 23 1971.
16. George Crozier, August 23 1971
17. Ian Armstrong, August 29 1971.
18. Clifford Loring, August 31 1971.
19. Francis Veitch, September 3 1971
20. John Warnock, September 6th 1971
21. Daniel Stewardson, September 9th 1971.
22. Martin Leonard Carroll, September 14th 1971.
23. Paul Carter, September 14th 1971
24. John Rudman, September 14th 1971
25. Peter Harrington, September 16th 1971
26. Peter Sharp, October 1st 1971.
27. Brian Hall, October 4th 1971.
28. Roger Wilkins, October 11th 1971
29. Joseph Hill, October 16th 1971
30. Graham Cox, October 17th 1971
31. George Hamilton, October 17th 1971
32. Angus Stephens, October 27th 1971
33. David Tilbury, October 27th 1971
34. David Powell, October 28th 1971
35. Norman Booth, October 28th, 1971
36. Ian Docherty, October 31st 1971
37. Stephen McGuire, November 4th 1971
38. Paul Genge, November 7th 1971
39. Ian Curtis, November 9th 1971
40. Edwin Charnley, November 18th 1971
41. Colin Davies, November 24th 1971
42. Paul Nicholls, November 27th 1971
43. Robert Benner, November 28th 1971
44. Denis Wilson, December 1st 1971
45. Jeremy Snow, December 8th 1971
46. Sean Russell, December 8th 1971
47. Kenneth Smyth, December 10th 1971
48. Anthony Aspinwall, December 17th 1971
49. Richard Ham, December 29th, 1971
1972
50. Keith Bryan, January 5th 1972
51. Maynard Crawford, January 13th 1972
52. Charles Stentiford, January 21st 1972

Remember them all, not only those who fit the republican narrative.

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