[Music] Vinyl records

Originunknown · May 23, 2019

Worked at an independent specialist when I was younger. We sold Spendor, Linn, Naim, Cyrus.

It reaches a threshold where for older ears, or those with poorer hearing you could certainly waste money.

Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Originunknown said:
Worked at an independent specialist when I was younger. We sold Spendor, Linn, Naim, Cyrus.

It reaches a threshold where for older ears, or those with poorer hearing you could certainly waste money.

I totally agree, there are system that are sold as 'lifestyle' where price does not reflect sound quality, but that's no reason to denigrate those enthusiasts that are able and willing to pursue better SQ. Out of interest my speakers use drivers from the 50's so I am not against buying used stuff.

BTW I know a 70 year old that designs and builds single ended triode amps. He makes an excellent job of it despite wearing two hearing aids.

Originunknown · May 23, 2019

Uncle C said:
I totally agree, there are system that are sold as 'lifestyle' where price does not reflect sound quality, but that's no reason to denigrate those enthusiasts that are able and willing to pursue better SQ. Out of interest my speakers use drivers from the 50's so I am not against buying used stuff.

BTW I know a 70 year old that designs and builds single ended triode amps. He makes an excellent job of it despite wearing two hearing aids.

Accurate audio reproduction is still one of the joys of life for me. My system still amazes me. I would swear by Linn's amplifiers and speakers but would never buy new.

The secondhand market is a goldmine if you know what you're looking for and are capable of soldering/de-soldering.

Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Originunknown said:
Accurate audio reproduction is still one of the joys of life for me.

Me too. I feel sorry for all the kids that think streaming on a i phone is as good as it gets.

Icy Gull · May 23, 2019

Uncle C said:
Me too. I feel sorry for all the kids that think streaming on a i phone is as good as it gets.

I confess to not buying much current music but I have noticed that at volume quite a lot of what I have heard sounds distorted when turned up loud. The other thing that strikes me, especially when listening in the car, is how nobody seems to bother with stereo these days? If I hear an old album in the car, you often have the music and singing coming from different speakers or even going between them. Can’t say I’ve noticed it much on more recent music

Am I wrong?

Lower West Stander · May 23, 2019

Uncle C said:
I'm sure it does. I love listening to my car radio, but I'm not claiming that's the last word in Hi Fi

And neither was I.

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that comment

studio150 · May 23, 2019

Icy Gull said:
I confess to not buying much current music but I have noticed that at volume quite a lot of what I have heard sounds distorted when turned up loud. The other thing that strikes me, especially when listening in the car, is how nobody seems to bother with stereo these days? If I hear an old album in the car, you often have the music and singing coming from different speakers or even going between them. Can’t say I’ve noticed it much on more recent music

Am I wrong?

Like this from 1973 (last 20 seconds or so)

There was certainly a lot more playing around with stereo effects in the early 70s which seems to have got lost in the digital age

Kosh · May 23, 2019

Uncle C said:
Difficult to argue with a bigot.

Kosh has decided he personally can hear no difference between two systems of unknown origin therefore all those hundreds of thousands that can are snobs etc. Nice one.

Its like saying that a fan can be 100% happy with League Two football so Premier League football isn't better.

And by the way where did this bit of profound knowledge come from? "you know it’s all bollocks"

Silly me; i’d evidently forgotten people who are considerably richer than me have better hearing.

You also seem to have somewhat side stepped (unknown origin - yeah, 50k of gear!!) my actual experience of a high end system, which I genuinely thought wasn’t worth the money... thus I feel the market is a snobbish one filled with questionable science and (dare I say) clever business models appealing to deep pockets and little sense.

You’re getting fleeced by the great bespoke audio con.

But, hey, if it makes you happy to line the pockets of the companies ‘engineering’ the (fake) science behind high end audio then - good luck to you.

But don’t accuse me of being an audio bigot, when you’re displaying all the bigotry from the other side of the ‘argument.’

Lastly, my original point was that the real con is in the £100-£2000 market, a realm of such negligible and intangible difference in sound quality, yet one will cost you £150, the other £2000 - it’s bollocks. It really is. Much like the difference between league 2 and 1 as you would doubtless put it.

Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Lower West Stander said:
And neither was I.

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that comment

The point was not specifically aimed at you, just that because you are happy with your system, don't assume its perfect.

Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Kosh said:
Silly me; i’d evidently forgotten people who are considerably richer than me have better hearing.
.

I think your prejudices are very much in evidence. "I cant afford an expensive system, ergo they are not worth the money."

Just relax and get off your high horse.

Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Icy Gull said:
I confess to not buying much current music but I have noticed that at volume quite a lot of what I have heard sounds distorted when turned up loud. The other thing that strikes me, especially when listening in the car, is how nobody seems to bother with stereo these days? If I hear an old album in the car, you often have the music and singing coming from different speakers or even going between them. Can’t say I’ve noticed it much on more recent music

Am I wrong?

What are you listening to that sounds distorted, radio, MP3, CD?

In the early days of stereo while sound engineers were acclimatising to the format, there was a lot of left and right stuff. It was not unusual to have the voice in one channel and the instruments in another. Today, they are much more professionally mixed, so you lose the 'left and right' and on a good stereo you get a full image of the performers and the speakers disappear.

Indurain's Lungs · May 23, 2019

Have read this thread with interest - just got a proper system having listened to spotify/bluetooth speakers for years.

Project Debut III Audiophile S
Denon PMA-800NE amp
Kef Q150s

The sound is fantastic, though I think my speaker setup/placement is not great - anyone any experience of those foam plugs that you put in the back of the speakers?

Another thought is that I don't want to blow my whole bank balance on vinyl - do others use a hi-res streaming service like Tidal? It's not that much more expensive than spotify but would require more kit outlay (network streamer with MQA).

Lush · May 23, 2019

Worried Man Blues said:
I have got that track unnamed, who is it? Music is obsolete?

Coloured Music by Brighton favourites The Piranhas. It's the B side to Jilly Jilly.

Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Indurain's Lungs said:
Have read this thread with interest - just got a proper system having listened to spotify/bluetooth speakers for years.

Project Debut III Audiophile S
Denon PMA-800NE amp
Kef Q150s

The sound is fantastic, though I think my speaker setup/placement is not great - anyone any experience of those foam plugs that you put in the back of the speakers?

Normally speakers with rear ports (where the bass comes from) are designed to be run about 1 metre from a rear wall and avoiding corners. What problem are you trying to solve?

Indurain's Lungs · May 23, 2019

Uncle C said:
Normally speakers with rear ports (where the bass comes from) are designed to be run about 1 metre from a rear wall and avoiding corners. What problem are you trying to solve?

Not a problem so much as wondering whether to use them - I suppose just try it out and see!

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Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Indurain's Lungs said:
Not a problem so much as wondering whether to use them - I suppose just try it out and see!

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The sponge blocks are a bit of a cop out for those people that cant site the speakers correctly. It reduces bass output and might remove a boominess in the room..

Indurain's Lungs · May 23, 2019

Uncle C said:
The sponge blocks are a bit of a cop out for those people that cant site the speakers correctly. It reduces bass output and might remove a boominess in the room..

Thanks, I'm moving it into a different room so will try to site further from the corner. At the moment I either get booming or (with the foam) a lack of depth.

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Uncle C · May 23, 2019

Indurain's Lungs said:
Thanks, I'm moving it into a different room so will try to site further from the corner. At the moment I either get booming or (with the foam) a lack of depth.

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That makes perfect sense. Some people stuff the hole with a large number of drinking straws. Its an alternative to the foam and has a less dramatic quenching of the bass.

Good luck

Worried Man Blues · May 23, 2019

Lush said:
Coloured Music by Brighton favourites The Piranhas. It's the B side to Jilly Jilly.

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Brilliant thanks. It was off of a John Peel disc and he was wittering on about the Piranhas and Brighton, so that fits in, cheers

Worried Man Blues · May 23, 2019

studio150 said:
Like this from 1973 (last 20 seconds or so)

There was certainly a lot more playing around with stereo effects in the early 70s which seems to have got lost in the digital age

Lindairs and Laskeys up Tottenham Court Road in the 70s was mainly Dark Side, but love ELP

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