If he was as much of a **** as you, who cares what he would have thought.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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If he was as much of a **** as you, who cares what he would have thought.
nicko31
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This debate about who is to blame is quite simple
Here are the people responsible
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Together with a large number of, at best, naive people who believed that voting to leave would resolve each and every issue that they individually had in their heads at the time.
From the day after the referendum there were only three options
1. Softest of soft Brexits (if we wanted to keep a lot of EU benefits and not create a border in Ireland/NI)
2. 'No deal' (Economic suicide and I said at the time, 2 years would not long enough to implement - never going to happen)
3. Withdraw/Delay Article 50 for a GE or referendum.
Here's a post from over a year and a half ago
And to quote a certain PM 'Nothing has changed'. Where we now are can hardly have come as a surprise to anyone
May knows herself the lies of Brexit could never be delivered. She's on the record from June 2016 on the Irish Border...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-36587809
Hence we now have option 4 - her deal. It is just a can kicking exercise and achieves very little and kicks all the issues into the long grass.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
This
- Jul 10, 2003
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But her option is still option 1 as we stay in the customs union (but cunningly rename it 'the backstop')
Its almost as if she thinks a large part of the electorate are so gullible, they'll fall for anything
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Baker lite
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You bought him into it. Anyway, it's a nice sunny day and I'm gonna head out and get a spot of brunch. Theres a lovley cafe with a secluded outdoor dining area near me where they do a pitta filled with grilled haloumi, grilled peppers and veg, tatsiki, olives and coleslaw. Stick a nice blood orange San Pelegrino in a glass with ice and bingo! Have a nice day.
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Well yon Nigel had plenty to say on that particular subject back in the day
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
And it was going so well.
Moshe Gariani
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- Mar 10, 2005
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This. All of the blustering "debate" is about party politics and personal agendas. For The Maybot to bleat on about delivering the will of the people is just so stupid as to be beneath contempt.
Hopefully things have taken some more positive turns during the past few days and a very soft, damage limited, exit and no exit at all are now by far the most likely outcomes.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Ok so I'll backtrack from almost equally to blame, as obviously the Labour Party is in no why responsible for starting the madness beginning as a Public School squabble.
But unlike many here I do firmly believe that one way or the other the country wouldn't be where it is now, 750 hours from 'no deal' with almost hourly revelation of stuff we've forgotten to pack, if the Labour Party wasn't trying (and failing) to stop fighting among themselves.
- Jul 10, 2003
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How many buzz words can we get in one sentence..
Well we could stop can kicking into the long grass immediately, if only anyone from Government down could come up with a plausible solution to the Ireland/NI border issue ?
So here's your chance, what do you think we should do ?
Remain.
nicko31
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But her option is still option 1 as we stay in the customs union (but cunningly rename it 'the backstop')
Its almost as if she thinks a large part of the electorate are so gullible, they'll fall for anything
Brexiteers still bang on about leaving the CU but offering nothing
And we're still waiting for someone on here to come up with a single large trade opportunity that exists in leaving the custom union that will exceed what we already have.
Come on, someone please offer something better than this...
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cjd
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As you can imagine, the rumour mill is working overtime here (france) and no doubt through the rest of Europe.
What is cast iron certainty is that NOTHING is settled until we either leave or stay in . The Settled status, Carte Sejour, Residency Permits etc etc etc will only be valid IF reciprocal arrangements are agreed. So far......with just a few days left, nothing has been agreed permanently. It really is quite a shocking state of affairs for people like myself. Like most 'oldies' we're keeping a stiff upper lip, but it gets harder every day. It isn't fun not knowing where you're going to live in the future....how we're going to pay for health care....what will happen to our pets.
The same applies to all those unfortunate enough to work in industries reliant on trade deals with Europe.
Uncertainty , and the mind games being played by so many of the senior members of both the Conservative and Labour Parties has destroyed any passions and beliefs I previously held for politics.
I thank you for your concern and input.
nicko31
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I have friends in France that went for French nationality because they were worried about Le Pen getting in (this was pre-Brexit). In the end they are glad they got it because of what happened, but unless you are fluent French forget it and it took them almost 3 years after 10 years + in the country
I'm sorry for your stress, but you are very low on the UK governments priorities. They just don't care
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I think this has more to do with the French government than our own here, as we have already offered French people living here settled status. They just need to offer it back to Brits living in France. Each country in the EU will be different. I believe HT said the German government had already sorted some sort of settled status for Brits in Germany.
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Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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As I have stated on numerous occasions the way HMG has prepared for Brexit and handled the negotiations has been inept. Some unnecessary Job losses have probably occurred due to their ineptitude but some were inevitable, see relocating EU institutions and negotiations usually going down to the wire increasing uncertainty. These job loss numbers are unquantifiable (which is why you don't answer my question) but it's fair to say the overall job market has remained remarkably resilient, positive and confounded the 'experts' predicting employment and economic disaster.
There is clearly a link ... using the fear of immigrants turning up on mass in the UK using dubious reasoning. But even if there was more evidence for one than the other you still seek to defend using fear of immigrants as a campaign tactic. Obviously, you never raised a peep when the Remain campaign did it but doubling down trying to justify that now suggests your outrage is rather selective.
You're not the best person to ask what you believe?
Can you provide a direct quote for your repeated claim that the director of Vote Leave said...'the bus claim was the most effective lie' ?
If you feel there's an equivalence between, on the one hand, Cameron suggesting that French officials might remove a concession that allows prospective immigrants to be interviewed by British border staff at the French end of the channel tunnel rather than the British one with, on the other, the relentless long term drone of anti-immigrant rhetoric and stone-cold lies from Leave campaigners then I guess I'm out of this conversation. I'll leave others to judge your even-handedness.
I try to answer questions put to me though. I can't at the moment find a relevant quote from Cummins although I have seen it mentioned often enough. I appreciate that this might set you off on another furious spate of veloxing but I have never come across a sentient being yet who says that the bus message wasn't effectively a lie - the important part of Cummins' comment on the subject of the bus side is that the message was essential to the Leave victory. You claim that it is patronising to suggest such a thing. The director of Vote Leave has his own view, comprehensively put in a piece in the Spectator in January 2017. It's fenced I'm afraid and I really don't want to take out another sub. Sorry.