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[Politics] Brexit
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
As shown by her work in the Home Office.
This from July 2015
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ws-fire-position-future-britain-eu-membership
In recent weeks, Corbyn has refused several times to make clear whether he would, as Labour leader, campaign to stay in or get out, and has said merely that the EU is imperfect and needs reform.
The issue is a difficult one for Corbyn as he enjoys a surge in support. A number of his supporters on the left of the party are known to believe strongly that Corbyn should keep open the option of campaigning to leave – although the vast majority of Labour supporters back staying in.
Shirley this can't be the same man who abstained from voting for a second referendum then approached the Dispatch Box calling for a second referendum.
As I've said previously 'yes this is all down to the Tories, an internal argument that started in Public School'.
But at no point, over the last 3 years, has the Labour Party held the Tories feet to the fire, because they also don't have the leadership and are too busy fighting their own divisions.
I think we finally have the politicians we always thought we had.
Oh if we knew where we were heading to x decades ago, I don't think anyone would have complained about what we had then.
Pavilionaire
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,585
How can a second referendum make things any worse than they are now? Nothing will change in the minds of those that want to Leave now - with or without a Deal, and nothing will change in the minds of those that want remain and believe in the European Project.
Furthermore, there are 13 million people that didn't vote that might have come to a decision now that the facts are clearer. And what about the 2.4 million young voters that have turned 18 since the referendum back in 2016 - shouldn't they get a say on the deal reached in Parliament?
I think the Italian fascist should be told in no uncertain terms that his country will bear the brunt of no deal if he does. I can put up with paying a quid more for my olive oil if it unseats that CJTC.
Lincoln Imp
Well-known member
- Feb 2, 2009
- 5,964
I agree. The bleat that May is a closet Remainer is odd. There's no evidence.
As a government minister with a very nice job she gave Remain reticent support at a time when it was assumed Remain would win.
When it didn't, she transformed her position. Her decision to lead the departure process is acceptable but the way she did it wasn't.
Brexit Means Brexit, references to saboteurs, calculated talk about the citizens of nowhere. When her scheme to shove the whole leaving process through with little recourse to Parliament was challenged in the courts she stayed mute about foul attacks on our independent judiciary. Her only reaction was to call another election when it became clear that the HoC was more moderate than she was. She drew up her red lines, made no efforts to reach across to the huge minority (now perhaps a majority) who wanted a different way.
I really try not to demonise anyone, but Theresa May appears to be a ghastly woman. I am ashamed of her.
I'm not suggesting the government haven't messed it up, they have. I was just saying that the problem wasn't simply that we triggered Article 50 before we worked out the deal, as BBasic said.
Has anyone explained the logic behind this yet?
Indeed.Quite obviously not written on the back of a fag packet. Irrespective of it's merits it was probably designed by experienced civil servants knowing what the EU would accept. The backstop was not designed by the EU, it was designed by us
So I guess you agree with me that the cabinet we had wouldn't agree to any single plan.
Correct. The problem wasn’t we triggered a50 before we worked out a deal.....as obviously a deal could not be worked out ahead of a50. But, when you go into a negotiation it’s hugely beneficial to know what you realistically want. The British government still doesn’t have a clue to this day as to what it wants.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 27,894
Mrs May said she wanted " the best deal possible " which narrowed it down a smidgen.
She defined the COLOURS, too. ("Red, White and Blue")
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
In fairness to her, based on her red lines that Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill dreamt up for her, she got it.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Just think, Cameron is almost looking like a half decent PMThis from July 2015
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ws-fire-position-future-britain-eu-membership
In recent weeks, Corbyn has refused several times to make clear whether he would, as Labour leader, campaign to stay in or get out, and has said merely that the EU is imperfect and needs reform.
The issue is a difficult one for Corbyn as he enjoys a surge in support. A number of his supporters on the left of the party are known to believe strongly that Corbyn should keep open the option of campaigning to leave – although the vast majority of Labour supporters back staying in.
Shirley this can't be the same man who abstained from voting for a second referendum then approached the Dispatch Box calling for a second referendum.
As I've said previously 'yes this is all down to the Tories, an internal argument that started in Public School'.
But at no point, over the last 3 years, has the Labour Party held the Tories feet to the fire, because they also don't have the leadership and are too busy fighting their own divisions.
I think we finally have the politicians we always thought we had.
Oh if we knew where we were heading to x decades ago, I don't think anyone would have complained about what we had then.
Lincoln Imp
Well-known member
- Feb 2, 2009
- 5,964
Just think, Cameron is almost looking like a half decent PM
First against the wall for me.
Just think, Cameron is almost looking like a half decent PM
Also imagine May having to deal with Kinnock, Smith (and dare I say) Blair, Brown and even, even Miliband in opposition.
Peter Ward
Well-known member
Oops here goes another 2 or 3 billion of taxpayers dosh to the DUP then.
"We send the EU £350m a week.
Let's give 5x that amount to the DUP, instead".
Let's give 5x that amount to the DUP, instead".
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Oh dear, how sad. Never mind.
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