[Football] The seven worst signings in the Premier League this season

Stat Brother said:

Yet the forced narrative of 'not even a single bit of skill' is fine I guess because that suits your opinion.

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hans kraay fan club said:

Feel free to quote all my posts where I've claimed he's never shown 'a single bit of skill'. You'll struggle.

I've detailed repeatedly how I think he's got decent technical skills - and suggested that he probably looks great in training, and aces every single crossing / passing / dribbling / shooting drill. (Because in training, much like in his youtube Eredivisie reels, you are afforded TIME to execute your skills, without pressure).

My assessment of Alireza's contribution to date, is entirely fair, and based purely on the evidence before us.

Your assessment on fellow Albion fans' character - that people WANT to see the lad fail, is entirely unfair, and based on **** all.

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Stat Brother said:

Nobody asked you to jump in, nobody quoted you or even mentioned you.

What I did do is question 'not even a bit of skill' a bit of skill' was there for all to see.

So the poster was clearly lying to promote a false narrative of failure yet I'm the dick for saying 'hang on a sec that's not fair'.

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Wozza said:

I hope so too, but it's worrying that he's not shown even a glimpse of promise. No assists and not even a single notable bit of skill. (Assume he looks better in training)

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Brovion said:

(Hoskins?)

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Stat Brother said:

Yep best not let the truth get in the way of a good witch-hunt.

If only Ali could be as shitehouse as some posters clearly want him to be.
It's such a shame they can't be content with him being disappointing.

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hans kraay fan club said:

Ah, you see - had somebody said "Alireza has never shown a single bit of skill" and you'd just answered "Yes he has - quite a few times in fact - it just didn't come to anything", people would be in general agreement.

When you instead choose to suggest things like "If only Ali could be as shitehouse as some posters clearly want him to be", then SOME people might read that and think that you are accusing them of wishing failure upon a young player, and on an important Albion asset. Possibly even setting yourself up as being somehow a 'better fan' through your own unstinting refusal to accept the valid critical assessments. Perhaps consider that.

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Brovion said:

Eh? No one wants him to be shite, we all want him to be a worldbeater. Some have already written him off admittedly (maybe prematurely, maybe not), but no one wants to see that the club have wasted 16mil or whatever.

Other news: I see CMS is doing well at Notts County.

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Stat Brother said:

I've been supporting the Albion for 40+ years and it's always been like that, a minutes silence wasn't even a safe haven from Brighton's Boo-Boys.

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JBizzle said:

Personally, although I don't think people want him to fail per se, but there are a group of fans (as there are in most fan bases) that need someone to complain about - Whatever the positive, find the negative.... This season it's been Bong (as usual), Stephens (as usual), Ryan (post Asian Cup), Locadia, March (for the first few months), Gross (until he got injured and his value skyrocketed), Propper. Jahanbakhsh is an obvious target based on his fee and his contribution.

Criticism of his contribution is valid, but has to be tempered by a) needing to adapt; b) his injury-plagued start to life in England; c) the ill-timed Asian Cup d) the fact he's only started 11 games for us and e) the fact that as an offensive, right-sided, wing forward, he's mainly been deployed as a defensive left-sided winger for 75% of the time, or a defensive right winger.

I'm not saying he's nailed on to succeed or fail, just that he's got good technical skill and has the potential to succeed. For me, he needs a full pre-season with the squad and a chance to properly play in his actual preferred role and then we'll see what we've bought.

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Stat Brother said:

All of which would be fine and dandy if this was a one off.
But it's not though is it?

It's the same repeated behaviour:-

- Be the first to call out the failure.
- Repeatedly bang that drum.
- Deny any evidence to the contrary.
- Enjoy saying 'I told you so'.

I've been supporting the Albion for 40+ years and it's always been like that, a minutes silence wasn't even a safe haven from Brighton's Boo-Boys.

Sure there are trolls on here who have lurched from Ryan, Propper, Locadia, Ali, Stephens, Gross obviously getting some perverse enjoyment from the negativity.

I just don't understand why the seemingly right minded posters are so keen to perpetuate the bad atmosphere.
An atmosphere which does filter through the crowd and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I don't believe I have said anything complimentary about Ali, because there just isn't the back catalogue, but there's also a lot of extenuating circumstances to at least refrain from joining in with the 'not even a footballer' mugs.

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Stat Brother said:

Yet we have never had it so good, or so we keep being told.

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Blue Valkyrie said:

To be fair, once the mob had run Skalak out of town, they needed a new target.

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Blue Valkyrie said:

To be fair, once the mob had run Skalak out of town, they needed a new target.

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JBizzle said:

Personally, although I don't think people want him to fail per se, but there are a group of fans (as there are in most fan bases) that need someone to complain about - Whatever the positive, find the negative.... This season it's been Bong (as usual), Stephens (as usual), Ryan (post Asian Cup), Locadia, March (for the first few months), Gross (until he got injured and his value skyrocketed), Propper. Jahanbakhsh is an obvious target based on his fee and his contribution.

Criticism of his contribution is valid, but has to be tempered by a) needing to adapt; b) his injury-plagued start to life in England; c) the ill-timed Asian Cup d) the fact he's only started 11 games for us and e) the fact that as an offensive, right-sided, wing forward, he's mainly been deployed as a defensive left-sided winger for 75% of the time, or a defensive right winger.

I'm not saying he's nailed on to succeed or fail, just that he's got good technical skill and has the potential to succeed. For me, he needs a full pre-season with the squad and a chance to properly play in his actual preferred role and then we'll see what we've bought.

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JBizzle said:

and Ashley "He's non League that lad" Barnes...

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JBizzle said:

Personally, although I don't think people want him to fail per se, but there are a group of fans (as there are in most fan bases) that need someone to complain about - Whatever the positive, find the negative.... This season it's been Bong (as usual), Stephens (as usual), Ryan (post Asian Cup), Locadia, March (for the first few months), Gross (until he got injured and his value skyrocketed), Propper. Jahanbakhsh is an obvious target based on his fee and his contribution.

Criticism of his contribution is valid, but has to be tempered by a) needing to adapt; b) his injury-plagued start to life in England; c) the ill-timed Asian Cup d) the fact he's only started 11 games for us and e) the fact that as an offensive, right-sided, wing forward, he's mainly been deployed as a defensive left-sided winger for 75% of the time, or a defensive right winger.

I'm not saying he's nailed on to succeed or fail, just that he's got good technical skill and has the potential to succeed. For me, he needs a full pre-season with the squad and a chance to properly play in his actual preferred role and then we'll see what we've bought.

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hans kraay fan club said:

Barnes was entirely a different case.

Barnes DID perform, and for whatever reason a portion of the fan-base just didn't take to him. Bizarre really.

The lad succeeded at every level he played for the club. 4 goals in 9 on loan at the end of 09/10. 20 goals in the promotion season of 10/11. Top scorer (14) in the first Championship season, ahead of the big money CMS. And all despite regularly being stuck out wide left.

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Rogero said:

AJ has not worked out well but you can also add Stevens and Propper. They all lack pace. The modern Premier footballers are athletes with skill and pace.

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