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Snoopers law creates security nightmare.



studio150

studio150

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Jul 30, 2011
29,606
On the Border
Superphil said:
Genuine questions, what foreign countries, and what are the sort of 'certain' websites that are banned?
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The most severe is China which monitors individuals as well as imposing censorship on content. There are many journalists and individuals who have been imposed for violating some of China's 60 edicts on internet access and use.
The censorship has been dubbed The China Great Fire Wall.
Then the usual suspects North Korea Burma etc
 




Mental Lental

Mental Lental

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Jul 5, 2003
2,272
Shiki-shi, Saitama
As if real terrorists aren't going to use encrypted communications anyway. This is just what it looks like. Another step closer to 1984.
 


Perfidious Albion

Perfidious Albion

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Oct 25, 2011
6,019
At the end of my tether
It does indeed smack of the world that Orwell described... Wait 'til the call to Room 101!

Most of us have no problem with budding terrorists and porn merchants being spotted , but we worry .."what if ?" .
If this were abused or got into the hands of commerce or the highest bidder, then we are all down the Swannee.
 




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virtual22

Well-known member
Nov 30, 2010
421
Here is the list of agencies that can access the data without a warrant:-

Metropolitan Police Service
City of London Police
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

The food standards agency; the FCA; the NHS Business Authority; HMRC (obviously); Department of Transport; the gambling commission; HSE; and Job centre – All at the front line of the anti-terrorism fight!

This legislation is nothing to do with terrorists, making us "safe" etc. It is purely so that the Government can collect data on what we are doing. Remember when they started to use CCTV under the anti-terrorist laws to catch parents sending their kids to schools outside their catchment area? This information will be abused.

The more worrying thing is that when this data is linked to the Digital Economy Bill they will be tracking you even more precisely. This data will get hacked, it will get leaked. Remember it is the ISP's who are storing it not the Government and we know how good the likes of talktalk are, a kid hacked them last year!

Obviously if you don't have any concerns about your family, employer, friends knowing which sites you have visited you have no issues. However, think of the scenario of someone not sure of their sexuality and going to LGBT sites, they are doing nothing illegal but may not want their family knowing, could be leaked. People with depression and mental illness again looking for support but might not want people to know could be in the public domain.

The purpose of this though is what? Criminals and terrorists are too clever to be using the web without VPN's, TOR etc. This is just mass surveillance because they know they can.

Here is a good site btw regarding privacy tools https://www.privacytools.io/
 
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beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,287
virtual22 said:
... This data will get hacked, it will get leaked. Remember it is the ISP's who are storing it not the Government and we know how good the likes of talktalk are, a kid hacked them last year!

Obviously if you don't have any concerns about your family, employer, friends knowing which sites you have visited you have no issues. However, think of the scenario of someone not sure of their sexuality and going to LGBT sites, they are doing nothing illegal but may not want their family knowing, could be leaked. People with depression and mental illness again looking for support but might not want people to know could be in the public domain.
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may i just highlight that the information is already accessible to any hacking. if an ISP is compromised, an attacker may already gain access to their live logging and see everything. or more likely, if a sensitive site you visit is compromised they will see all the visitors. you are not anonymous online to anyone with the means and inclination to look.
 






W

Wardy's twin

Well-known member
Oct 21, 2014
8,433
virtual22 said:
Here is the list of agencies that can access the data without a warrant:-

Metropolitan Police Service
City of London Police
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

The food standards agency; the FCA; the NHS Business Authority; HMRC (obviously); Department of Transport; the gambling commission; HSE; and Job centre – All at the front line of the anti-terrorism fight!

This legislation is nothing to do with terrorists, making us "safe" etc. It is purely so that the Government can collect data on what we are doing. Remember when they started to use CCTV under the anti-terrorist laws to catch parents sending their kids to schools outside their catchment area? This information will be abused.

The more worrying thing is that when this data is linked to the Digital Economy Bill they will be tracking you even more precisely. This data will get hacked, it will get leaked. Remember it is the ISP's who are storing it not the Government and we know how good the likes of talktalk are, a kid hacked them last year!

Obviously if you don't have any concerns about your family, employer, friends knowing which sites you have visited you have no issues. However, think of the scenario of someone not sure of their sexuality and going to LGBT sites, they are doing nothing illegal but may not want their family knowing, could be leaked. People with depression and mental illness again looking for support but might not want people to know could be in the public domain.

The purpose of this though is what? Criminals and terrorists are too clever to be using the web without VPN's, TOR etc. This is just mass surveillance because they know they can.

Here is a good site btw regarding privacy tools https://www.privacytools.io/
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What about the actual network traffic i.e. if sniffers are put on the comms lines then the ISP aren't even needed (though it greatly helps)
 


clippedgull

clippedgull

Hotdogs, extra onions
Aug 11, 2003
20,789
Near Ducks, Geese, and Seagulls
Wardy's twin said:
What about the actual network traffic i.e. if sniffers are put on the comms lines then the ISP aren't even needed (though it greatly helps)
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It's probably more about the long term storage of the Data for everyone (12 months).

Pure guesswork, but if they are interested in A and keep a live watch on him/her then they notice B (unknown before) communicating with A then they can get the last 12 months data for B as evidence if required.

But this has been going on for years and all its really doing is making it 'legal'
 


V

virtual22

Well-known member
Nov 30, 2010
421
clippedgull said:
It's probably more about the long term storage of the Data for everyone (12 months).

Pure guesswork, but if they are interested in A and keep a live watch on him/her then they notice B (unknown before) communicating with A then they can get the last 12 months data for B as evidence if required.

But this has been going on for years and all its really doing is making it 'legal'
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In some ways it has, but since Snowden to access this sort of data "legally" the party would need to have a court order. Now however the Food Standards Agency, for example, can just view your history with no court order, no intervention, not even any good reason.

You are right though that they can watch live data at the moment using sniffers but not historic afaik
 




Superphil

Superphil

Dismember
Jul 7, 2003
25,416
In a pile of football shirts
studio150 said:
The most severe is China which monitors individuals as well as imposing censorship on content. There are many journalists and individuals who have been imposed for violating some of China's 60 edicts on internet access and use.
The censorship has been dubbed The China Great Fire Wall.
Then the usual suspects North Korea Burma etc
Click to expand...

And people think the UK is going to end up like China, or North Korea? Well that will be terrible, when will it be starting?
 


B

Brovion

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 6, 2003
19,357
Perfidious Albion said:
It does indeed smack of the world that Orwell described... Wait 'til the call to Room 101!

Most of us have no problem with budding terrorists and porn merchants being spotted , but we worry .."what if ?" .
If this were abused or got into the hands of commerce or the highest bidder, then we are all down the Swannee.
Click to expand...
Indeed. As has been pointed out barring a few lone wolf amateurs this will do nothing to prevent serious and organised terrorism - but it's Christmas come early for people who trade personal data (legitimately or otherwise).
 


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pearl

Well-known member
May 3, 2016
12,787
Behind My Eyes
virtual22 said:
Here is the list of agencies that can access the data without a warrant:-

Metropolitan Police Service
City of London Police
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

The food standards agency; the FCA; the NHS Business Authority; HMRC (obviously); Department of Transport; the gambling commission; HSE; and Job centre – All at the front line of the anti-terrorism fight!

This legislation is nothing to do with terrorists, making us "safe" etc. It is purely so that the Government can collect data on what we are doing. Remember when they started to use CCTV under the anti-terrorist laws to catch parents sending their kids to schools outside their catchment area? This information will be abused.

The more worrying thing is that when this data is linked to the Digital Economy Bill they will be tracking you even more precisely. This data will get hacked, it will get leaked. Remember it is the ISP's who are storing it not the Government and we know how good the likes of talktalk are, a kid hacked them last year!

Obviously if you don't have any concerns about your family, employer, friends knowing which sites you have visited you have no issues. However, think of the scenario of someone not sure of their sexuality and going to LGBT sites, they are doing nothing illegal but may not want their family knowing, could be leaked. People with depression and mental illness again looking for support but might not want people to know could be in the public domain.

The purpose of this though is what? Criminals and terrorists are too clever to be using the web without VPN's, TOR etc. This is just mass surveillance because they know they can.

Here is a good site btw regarding privacy tools https://www.privacytools.io/
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good post! many thanks
 


deletebeepbeepbeep

deletebeepbeepbeep

Well-known member
May 12, 2009
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I can't help but think this will not be used to catch terrorists but used by Government/Police to hurt/silence people they consider an inconvenience but not technically breaking the law, for example people like Mr Catt.

How long until the use of VPNs and TOR are banned?
 




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chrispeddler

New member
Jul 11, 2019
1
happypig said:
Can anyone recommend me a fast VPN that terminates somewhere safe ?
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In terms of speed and security/privacy, I think Private Internet Access (PIA) is one of the most reliable since it has one of the most download speed (tested in EU and US) with no logging policy and no leaks according to a review.
 


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