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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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A1X

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cunning fergus said:
Your final point is just another reference in the maelstrom of bile for millions of normal working British people, it shows neatly that you are on side with the likes of Goldman Sachs as oppose to the white working class that you parcel up as the EDL.
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Strange, I've re-read my post twice and don't believe I've at any point claimed that all white working class people are in the EDL. Perhaps you can aid my comprehension and point out the bit where I did?

FYI, you talk of bigotry, I would argue one of the key tenets of bigotry is to lump all people in one particular social sector into one and tar all of them with the same brush. By blankly assuming everyone who is white working class is a Leave voter that's arguably more bigoted than anything posted on this thread by any Remainer.
 






A1X

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Simster

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cunning fergus said:
Social Class A is the top 4% of society, defined as follows:

The upper middle class in Britain traditionally consists of the educated professionals who were born into higher income backgrounds, such as legal professionals or executives. This stratum, in England, traditionally uses Received Pronunciation natively. A typical Mosaic geodemographic type for this group would be cultural leadership. It is also usually assumed that this class is most predominant in the home counties of South East England and the more affluent boroughs of London. Children of this group are often educated at a preparatory school until about 13 years old and then at one of the "major" or "minor" British public schools[23][24] which will typically charge fees of at least £11,500 per year per pupil (as of 2013)[25][26] followed by one of the most prestigious universities, often within the Russell Group.

This is not a group that includes super hods and ultra effective piece working plasterers. This group is the bourgois, the elite, the ruling classes aka the establishment. You are demonstrating a typical behaviour here amongst some leavers to reject facts that dont align with your prejudice. Bigotry if you will.

This thread is dripping in contempt for the working class that voted Brexit, the euphamisms of racism, gammon and the plebs is everywhere.

Your final point is just another reference in the maelstrom of bile for millions of normal working British people, it shows neatly that you are on side with the likes of Goldman Sachs as oppose to the white working class that you parcel up as the EDL.

QED.
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WTF are you talking about in this post? We're well aware of what the social group "A" is made up of, the point here is that your "point" was a poll aimed at "AB" (27% of the population, including skilled workers), not "A" (the bourgois, public school Russell-group university attending elite). If anyone is treating anyone with contempt, it's YOU with your constant drip drip posting of misinformation and frankly laughable accusations that anyone who disagrees with you over Brexit is a Tory. Two examples of contempt right there.

I'll concede there has been contempt from remainers towards Brexiteers on this thread, but most of us left that behind months ago. Nibble's constant "all leavers are thick" mantra is tiresome and cringeworthy (especially coming from him) but there really hasn't been much of that for a while. It's all playground name-calling now from most on all sides.
 




Blue Valkyrie

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A1X said:
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The on going hybrid war attack on our country has morphed Brexit into *No deal* Brexit catastrophe.

We've lost that war and people don't realise it was even fought.
 


A1X

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Blue Valkyrie said:
The on going hybrid war attack on our country has morphed Brexit into *No deal* Brexit catastrophe.

We've lost that war and people don't realise it was even fought.
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But we have always been at war with Eastasia.
 


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Lincoln Imp

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Feb 2, 2009
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cunning fergus said:
Social Class A is the top 4% of society, defined as follows:

The upper middle class in Britain traditionally consists of the educated professionals who were born into higher income backgrounds, such as legal professionals or executives. This stratum, in England, traditionally uses Received Pronunciation natively. A typical Mosaic geodemographic type for this group would be cultural leadership. It is also usually assumed that this class is most predominant in the home counties of South East England and the more affluent boroughs of London. Children of this group are often educated at a preparatory school until about 13 years old and then at one of the "major" or "minor" British public schools[23][24] which will typically charge fees of at least £11,500 per year per pupil (as of 2013)[25][26] followed by one of the most prestigious universities, often within the Russell Group.

This is not a group that includes super hods and ultra effective piece working plasterers. This group is the bourgois, the elite, the ruling classes aka the establishment. You are demonstrating a typical behaviour here amongst some leavers to reject facts that dont align with your prejudice. Bigotry if you will.

This thread is dripping in contempt for the working class that voted Brexit, the euphamisms of racism, gammon and the plebs is everywhere.

Your final point is just another reference in the maelstrom of bile for millions of normal working British people, it shows neatly that you are on side with the likes of Goldman Sachs as oppose to the white working class that you parcel up as the EDL.

QED.
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This conversation is veering towards slightly different people talking about slightly different things... AB group here, A group there, 0.1% here, 4% there. And a bit too much wholescale google-lifting perhaps. Do normal people, off the top of their heads, actually say things like... “This stratum, in England, traditionally uses Received Pronunciation natively... a typical Mosaic geodemographic type for this group would be cultural leadership”?

But may I mention the working class? Only because you did.

I really hadn’t realised that this thread has been dripping in contempt for it. In fact I can barely recall it being mentioned.

Certainly, the hard fact that the Leave vote contained a disproportionate number of less-educated people has been talked about. Perhaps you feel that “less-educated” is some sort of code for “working class”.

It is certainly used as code for “thick” although my impression is that for every Remain voter describing Leave voters as thick there are ten Leave voters leaping up and down in victim-shrouded joy at the very thought of it.

So if it’s not because they’re thick, why did more poorly-educated people vote Leave? You may have a view on this.

Can I offer two reasons? One, the lesser one, is that there might be some connection between people’s level of education and their interest in politics - and people with little interest in politics are, generally-speaking, more likely to be persuaded by the black and white clarion calls of the Leave campaign. If that sounds patronising it’s not intended to be - I’m poorly educated myself.

The greater reason for me is that people with lower educational qualifications tend to have fewer career and lifestyle opportunities . It was that lack of such opportunities, that sense of being left behind, that fuelled much of the Leave-vote. And older people in particular, less educated by tradition, looked back at their lives and felt a sense of being short-changed by circumstance.

And at that point a load of Eton-educated toffs rolled up on their doorsteps and invited them to vote for the status-quo...
 




nicko31

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Lincoln Imp said:
This conversation is veering towards slightly different people talking about slightly different things... AB group here, A group there, 0.1% here, 4% there. And a bit too much wholescale google-lifting perhaps. Do normal people, off the top of their heads, actually say things like... “This stratum, in England, traditionally uses Received Pronunciation natively... a typical Mosaic geodemographic type for this group would be cultural leadership”?

But may I mention the working class? Only because you did.

I really hadn’t realised that this thread has been dripping in contempt for it. In fact I can barely recall it being mentioned.

Certainly, the hard fact that the Leave vote contained a disproportionate number of less-educated people has been talked about. Perhaps you feel that “less-educated” is some sort of code for “working class”.

It is certainly used as code for “thick” although my impression is that for every Remain voter describing Leave voters as thick there are ten Leave voters leaping up and down in victim-shrouded joy at the very thought of it.

So if it’s not because they’re thick, why did more poorly-educated people vote Leave? You may have a view on this.

Can I offer two reasons? One, the lesser one, is that there might be some connection between people’s level of education and their interest in politics - and people with little interest in politics are, generally-speaking, more likely to be persuaded by the black and white clarion calls of the Leave campaign. If that sounds patronising it’s not intended to be - I’m poorly educated myself.

The greater reason for me is that people with lower educational qualifications tend to have fewer career and lifestyle opportunities . It was that lack of such opportunities, that sense of being left behind, that fuelled much of the Leave-vote. And older people in particular, less educated by tradition, looked back at their lives and felt a sense of being short-changed by circumstance.

And at that point a load of Eton-educated toffs rolled up on their doorsteps and invited them to vote for the status-quo...
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You can see how Paul Dacre was such a successful Editor at the Mail and how over a generation he managed to cast so many under his spell. Its not rocket science.

At some point the western world will reach peak populism, I don't think we're far off
 


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Any attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50. We are leaving 11pm on March 29th as promised [MENTION=12426]stan[/MENTION]dUp4Brexit

The absolute state of this by Daniel Kawczynski

Wants Us to take back control by lobbying the Polish.

He of course is inline to gain finically from a Hard Brexit.

Who are the real traitors again?
 






WATFORD zero

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cunning fergus said:
I don’t doubt that Tories work against the interests of the poor, that is why they are pro EU.

To suggest that the rich are against the EU is absurd, and demonstrates a profound level of political ignorance. You need to remember whose side you are on, are you with the Rothschilds, Bankers, global corporations, the Bilderbergs, those at Davis and Goldman Sachs, or are you on the side of the uneducated working class.......y’know plebs?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ses-were-only-group-to-vote-to-stay-in-the-e/

http://tlio.org.uk/cap-welfare-for-the-rich-landownerscorporations/
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Unless I am mistaken, didn't Bozza say that you were employed within these same financial markets that your socialist principles cause you to despise so much ?
 


Pretty Plnk Fairy

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Dyson moveing its' headqarters to singapore which is just east of sunderland i believe so take that you tobies another victory for brexit as more jobs comeing our way

Regards
DR
 


pb21

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Apr 23, 2010
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Lincoln Imp said:
This conversation is veering towards slightly different people talking about slightly different things... AB group here, A group there, 0.1% here, 4% there. And a bit too much wholescale google-lifting perhaps. Do normal people, off the top of their heads, actually say things like... “This stratum, in England, traditionally uses Received Pronunciation natively... a typical Mosaic geodemographic type for this group would be cultural leadership”?

But may I mention the working class? Only because you did.

I really hadn’t realised that this thread has been dripping in contempt for it. In fact I can barely recall it being mentioned.

Certainly, the hard fact that the Leave vote contained a disproportionate number of less-educated people has been talked about. Perhaps you feel that “less-educated” is some sort of code for “working class”.

It is certainly used as code for “thick” although my impression is that for every Remain voter describing Leave voters as thick there are ten Leave voters leaping up and down in victim-shrouded joy at the very thought of it.

So if it’s not because they’re thick, why did more poorly-educated people vote Leave? You may have a view on this.

Can I offer two reasons? One, the lesser one, is that there might be some connection between people’s level of education and their interest in politics - and people with little interest in politics are, generally-speaking, more likely to be persuaded by the black and white clarion calls of the Leave campaign. If that sounds patronising it’s not intended to be - I’m poorly educated myself.

The greater reason for me is that people with lower educational qualifications tend to have fewer career and lifestyle opportunities . It was that lack of such opportunities, that sense of being left behind, that fuelled much of the Leave-vote. And older people in particular, less educated by tradition, looked back at their lives and felt a sense of being short-changed by circumstance.

And at that point a load of Eton-educated toffs rolled up on their doorsteps and invited them to vote for the status-quo...
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I agree with this. I would also add that in addition to the Eton-educated toffs rolling up on people's doorsteps, that there were also a load of self-styled ordinary men of the people (yet also Eton-educated toffs) also turning up on people's doorsteps, only these people were offering all kinds of wondrous change and the world on a plate, all for a cross in a box.

Eton-educated toffs offering the status-quo Vs. Self-styled ordinary men of the people offering all kinds of wondrous change and the world on a plate.
 




The Clamp

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James Dysion. What a ****ing hypocrite. Shifting his HQ to Singapore. “ Nothing to do with Brexit”. Absolute rot.
 
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Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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Is there anything some traitorous Tory MPs won't stoop to? There is a screen shot of the tweet if he tries to delete it. Jessica Seymour QC also quotes the MP's Code of Conduct and the breach of it (all within the thread)

[tweet]1087739812000473088[/tweet]
 




Thunder Bolt

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Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Unsurprisingly Mr Kawgzynsky has links with Aaron Banks. We are being sold down the river for a right wing coup and for rich men to make even more money.

[tweet]1087742169664897026[/tweet]
 
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