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[Albion] Chris Hughton leaves with immediate effect



neilbard

neilbard

Hedging up
Oct 8, 2013
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dazzer6666 said:
I wasn’t wishing for anything, but our half-season record is truly horrendous. If we’d done that in the first half CH would have been gone before Christmas, 100%.
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Agreed, it's all about opinions and Bloom with advice, clearly believes Hughton wasn't getting the best out of the new lads, only time will tell.

Positivity is a far cry from reality, we are now competing with the big boys and we will need to start spending big boy money on wages and recruitment, all the managerial candidates on offer at present don't inspire,

still Bloom is running the show so we all hope he gets this right..:albion2:
 




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AlastairWatts

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Nov 1, 2009
500
High Wycombe
Jim in the West said:
.....but somehow Chris/his coaches/his tactics have reduced Jahanbaksh to a semi-competent left-back. This is someone who scored 21 goals with 12 assists in 33 games last season. The guy clearly has huge amounts of skill, but we seemed more interested in turning him into a decent defender! Bissouma - a player with bags of energy, skill and an infectious enthusiasm - was restrained, and even dropped for the heinous crime of not tracking back. The one guy who could really break through the midfield with speed and intent was, too, being turned into a bl00dy defender!....

Exactly. Talented players out of position trying to play a game unknown to them. Pure relegation management. They must wonder why on earth they ever came to Brighton.
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dazzer6666

dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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neilbard said:
Agreed, it's all about opinions and Bloom with advice, clearly believes Hughton wasn't getting the best out of the new lads, only time will tell.

Positivity is a far cry from reality, we are now competing with the big boys and we will need to start spending big boy money on wages and recruitment, all the managerial candidates on offer at present don't inspire,

still Bloom is running the show so we all hope he gets this right..:albion2:
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Definitely. Whilst what we’ve spent is eye-watering in our terms, from a PL perspective it’s nothing startling. Personally think one of the biggest mistakes we’ve made is not adding at least a couple of proven PL players to the squad since getting promoted. In the championship we got stronger through bringing in the likes of Sidwell but we’ve tried to be a bit too clever in finding bargains. Fine to do that for some (and some have done well), but we need some proven players with the requisite experience to blend with them. We’ve scraped staying up with essentially our championship squad this season and a couple of signings that have worked out.

Be very interesting to see how the club deal in the window. If we get another influx from Holland etc then lessons won’t appear to have been learned. It’ll cost a bomb though.
 


Seagull73

Seagull73

Sienna's Heaven
Jul 26, 2003
3,382
Not Lewes
AlastairWatts said:
Exactly. Talented players out of position trying to play a game unknown to them. Pure relegation management. They must wonder why on earth they ever came to Brighton.
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I'm lead to believe that's a big part of the problem. Some of these expensive players not ending up playing in anything like the positions they believed they were signing for.
 
















Seasider78

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Nov 14, 2004
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Bladders said:
Cowardly Brighton according to Henry Winter.
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The outrage from the media on this is hilarious and typical lazy journalism with the stayed up + semi final + nice bloke being used as the stick to beat us with. All of course ignoring our horrendous 2019 form and the managers inability to change what we were going or turn it around. We went from a safe cushion to it being largely out of our hands but that is being glossed over in the press.
 


Papa Lazarou

Papa Lazarou

Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Jul 7, 2003
18,871
Worthing
Seasider78 said:
The outrage from the media on this is hilarious and typical lazy journalism with the stayed up + semi final + nice bloke being used as the stick to beat us with. All of course ignoring our horrendous 2019 form and the managers inability to change what we were going or turn it around. We went from a safe cushion to it being largely out of our hands but that is being glossed over in the press.
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It's telling that any poll (mainly on twitter) on whether the sacking was Right or Wrong is showing 75-80% saying it was the wrong decision, whereas on here it's the other way round.
 




Papa Lazarou

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Jul 7, 2003
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Mustafa said:
...because NSC is 95% Albion fans and are fully aware of the circumstances, as opposed to Twitter and other polls.

Edit: sorry, that was your point wasn't it.
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Indeed it was :clap2:
 


Bladders

Bladders

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Jun 22, 2012
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Papa Lazarou said:
It's telling that any poll (mainly on twitter) on whether the sacking was Right or Wrong is showing 75-80% saying it was the wrong decision, whereas on here it's the other way round.
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Mustafa said:
...because NSC is 95% Albion fans and are fully aware of the circumstances, as opposed to Twitter and other polls.

Edit: sorry, that was your point wasn't it.
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I think we've all been guilty of this when other clubs have sacked their managers, accusing clubs of our size of delusions of grandeur when we haven't been made to watch the dross they have.

Shoes on our foot now it seems.
 


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blockhseagull

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Jan 30, 2006
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I’ve read plenty on here and in the media about the new players not being up to it and the recruitment team not giving CH the tools to work with.

But for me the biggest problem in our dismal run since Christmas has been the shocking lack of commitment, desire and belief in the team. We’ve absolutely sleepwalked into the position we finished in due to being poor in almost every department.

In many games it wasn’t about being outclassed or outskilled it was about being outfought and out thought but the opposition.

Now there may be various reasons for this and I’m not laying every failure at CH’s door because I believe the problem is bigger than one person. However when this is the case game after game after game and nothing changes, you can’t blame TB for pulling the trigger, whether or not you think it’s right or wrong you can’t fail to see why he did it.
 




Nixonator

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Feb 8, 2016
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Bladders said:
I think we've all been guilty of this when other clubs have sacked their managers, accusing clubs of our size of delusions of grandeur when we haven't been made to watch the dross they have.

Shoes on our foot now it seems.
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Yep, spot on.

Many a clown on here scoffing at Norwich giving him the punt and rubbing our success in their faces since appointing him, none accepting of just how abysmal it was for them at the time. My Naaarch supporting mate is a lot happier these days.

The condescending messages out the media like "What does a team like Brighton expect?" are resonating with him currently.
 




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Jolly Red Giant

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Jul 11, 2015
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OzMike said:
Needed to be done, thanks Chris.
Some on here say that our future is now uncertain, if we had kept Chris relagation would have been the future.
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This is Chris Hughton's record as a manager -
2009-2010 - promotion with Newcastle
2010-2011 - sacked in December with Newcastle in 11th
2011-2012 - Birmingham finished 4th - lost in the play-off to Blackpool
2012-2013 - Norwich finished 11th
2013-2104 - Sacked in April with Norwich 17th and 5 points above the relegation zone - Norwich are subsequently relegated.
2014-2015 - After leaving Norwich Hughton turns down several offers of assistant manager in the Premiership - December - Brighton sack Hyppia with Brighton in 23rd - Hughton keeps Brighton in Championship
2015-2016 - Brighton finish 3rd and lose in the play-offs
2016-2017 - Brighton promoted
2017-2018 - Brighton finish 15th in Premiership
2018-2019 - Brighton finish 18th in Premiership - and Hughton gets sacked.

Over his entire career Chris Hughton has never had a team in the relegation zone except for a three game stretch in October 2013 with Norwich when they played Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. He has never been relegated as a manager - he has won two promotions to the Premiership and also been in the play-offs twice. Every single team he has managed improved on where they were before he took over as manager.

As a football manager the guy is incredibly underrated - he knows how to get the job done - and, as is clear from the article by Paul Hayward, he was handed a bit of a dogs dinner this season - and still managed to keep Brighton in the Premiership. He will have teams after him and has already been linked with Celtic and WBA. Bloom made a big mistake by sacking him.
 


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Springal

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Feb 12, 2005
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Jolly Red Giant said:
This is Chris Hughton's record as a manager -
2009-2010 - promotion with Newcastle
2010-2011 - sacked in December with Newcastle in 11th
2011-2012 - Birmingham finished 4th - lost in the play-off to Blackpool
2012-2013 - Norwich finished 11th
2013-2104 - Sacked in April with Norwich 17th and 5 points above the relegation zone - Norwich are subsequently relegated.
2014-2015 - After leaving Norwich Hughton turns down several offers of assistant manager in the Premiership - December - Brighton sack Hyppia with Brighton in 23rd - Hughton keeps Brighton in Championship
2015-2016 - Brighton finish 3rd and lose in the play-offs
2016-2017 - Brighton promoted
2017-2018 - Brighton finish 15th in Premiership
2018-2019 - Brighton finish 18th in Premiership - and Hughton gets sacked.

Over his entire career Chris Hughton has never had a team in the relegation zone except for a three game stretch in October 2013 with Norwich when they played Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. He has never been relegated as a manager - he has won two promotions to the Premiership and also been in the play-offs twice. Every single team he has managed improved on where they were before he took over as manager.

As a football manager the guy is incredibly underrated - he knows how to get the job done - and, as is clear from the article by Paul Hayward, he was handed a bit of a dogs dinner this season - and still managed to keep Brighton in the Premiership. He will have teams after him and has already been linked with Celtic and WBA. Bloom made a big mistake by sacking him.
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Never been relegated as a manager? Correct. But Newcastle & Norwich sacked him in his first season in the top flight.

You'll also note we finished lower than last season, less points despite a decent £££ on new signings.
 




mejonaNO12 aka riskit

mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Dec 4, 2003
21,498
England
Jolly Red Giant said:
This is Chris Hughton's record as a manager -
2009-2010 - promotion with Newcastle
2010-2011 - sacked in December with Newcastle in 11th
2011-2012 - Birmingham finished 4th - lost in the play-off to Blackpool
2012-2013 - Norwich finished 11th
2013-2104 - Sacked in April with Norwich 17th and 5 points above the relegation zone - Norwich are subsequently relegated.
2014-2015 - After leaving Norwich Hughton turns down several offers of assistant manager in the Premiership - December - Brighton sack Hyppia with Brighton in 23rd - Hughton keeps Brighton in Championship
2015-2016 - Brighton finish 3rd and lose in the play-offs
2016-2017 - Brighton promoted
2017-2018 - Brighton finish 15th in Premiership
2018-2019 - Brighton finish 18th in Premiership - and Hughton gets sacked.

Over his entire career Chris Hughton has never had a team in the relegation zone except for a three game stretch in October 2013 with Norwich when they played Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City. He has never been relegated as a manager - he has won two promotions to the Premiership and also been in the play-offs twice. Every single team he has managed improved on where they were before he took over as manager.

As a football manager the guy is incredibly underrated - he knows how to get the job done - and, as is clear from the article by Paul Hayward, he was handed a bit of a dogs dinner this season - and still managed to keep Brighton in the Premiership. He will have teams after him and has already been linked with Celtic and WBA. Bloom made a big mistake by sacking him.
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There is no doubt at all the Chris is a brilliant manager and, any club who wants to be promoted/stay in the prem should immediately look to hire him. I am gutted for him.

HOWEVER, this sacking/new appointment is about going onto that next step. Not 'just' surviving but wanting to push into the next group up, Leicester, West Ham, Everton. It will be REALLY tough and of course we still have to be mindful of relegation, but I honestly believe the club couldn't see Chris letting go enough of the fear of relegation to push us on and let the team be more expansive.

It's a horrible decision to make and a good man has lost his job VERY harshly, but if the club really felt that he simply could not push us on the next step then I'd argue, however cruel, it is the right thing to do.

I will ALWAYS defend him and his record remains brilliant which I'm delighted about.
 


Weststander

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Bozza said:
Out of interest, Andy Naylor was repeatedly sneeringly dismissive of Albion fans who were saying we should be doing better and/or calling for Hughton's head. People needed to be realistic and draw in their expectations etc.

Presumably he's said the same about the Albion board over the last 24 hours? Anyone?
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Naylor misjudged the strength of being p’d off from many fans, including Mr Tony Bloom. Instead, lazily jumping to the conclusion that it was a small bunch of keyboard whiners wishing for a Curbishley moment.

I haven’t bothered to read his editorial views this week, but wonder what he thinks of TB now? I doubt there is damning criticism. Funny that.
 


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