I think that the EU have always recognised that if Britain decides to blow it's own economic brains outthat being our nearest neighbours, they would get a horrendous dry cleaning bill.
Bet they'll be sorry when they get that bill, won't they. Love to be around to see their faces .............. Oh
What has been negotiated is a deal which parliament won't pass. This can't have come as a surprise to the EU.
There wasn't simply the choice between what's been agreed and what our initial requests were. The EU are half of the negotiation, so it seems fair to hold both sides to account on what they can achieve.The EU haven’t ‘offered us a bad deal’. They’ve simply stuck to their rules, and refused to offer up benefits of EU membership to a non-EU country
Failing to agree to ‘our’ unrealistic demands, is really, really not something that we can be surprised about, nor upset about.
A deal has been reached
Maybe you should be looking at the undemocratic loons who voted against it and didn't follow the democratic will of the people
Without the backstop, Britain would have completely free, border less access to the whole of the EU via NI whilst not being in the EU and you can't see why they may have an issue with that ?
This is really basic stuff FFS
You don't like the Good Friday Agreement.
You don't like the Withdrawal Agreement based on May's red lines.
You don't like the Backstop required to guarantee the Good Friday Agreement because of May's red lines.
You don't like Brexit having crowed about it for the last 2 years.
It's people like you talking it all down who are the problem, when you really should be getting behind Brexit, backing it and being, to paraphrase Andrea Leadsom, a bit more patriotic and banish your pessimism.
Stop moaning, accept it and get over it - you won.
I fully support the Good Friday Agreement ... show me the bit where it says this agreement is dependant on EU membership?
I don't like the withdrawal agreement because it diverges significantly from May's red lines.
I don't like the backstop for the previous reason
For crowing about Brexit for the last two years see countering the nonsense posts of undemocratic loons and the #teameu crew on here
Without the backstop, Britain would have completely free, border less access to the whole of the EU via NI whilst not being in the EU and you can't see why they may have an issue with that ?
This is really basic stuff FFS
Now I know that you and [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] aren't stupid, so why do you keep on saying stupid things about Brexit ?
Is it desperation ?
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Without the backstop, Britain would have completely free, border less access to the whole of the EU via NI whilst not being in the EU and you can't see why they may have an issue with that ?
This is really basic stuff FFS
Now I know that you and [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] aren't stupid, so why do you keep on saying stupid things about Brexit ?
Is it desperation ?
It was asking for alternative solutions which all conveniantly seem unachievable despite Barnier suggesting they would be found to avoid a border if a no deal occured.
Hi. Ignore the Brexit twats for a moment, fellow remainer here. I still - still - can't really get my head round the backstop. Its just kicking the can down the road isn't it? Its just saying 'we can't work out how to have an open border (GFA) and a closed border (different customs arrangements, right to enter etc to the EU) at the same time. So if we have a 'backstop' its basically saying we're just delaying coming to a conclusion for 2 years.
But in two years - what? What is so miraculously going to happen that means we can have the dual open / closed border that is required?
Indeed can I throw this out to anyone (or at least anyone who doesn't use the words 'technological solution'). There is no answer is there?
So if we hard Brexit we will leave the border open, and the EU will leave the border open, and we'll argue forever about it, and because of that we won't get any benefits of the Withdrawal agreement, and they won't get their £39m
And if we leave with the Withdrawal agreement, we'll leave the border open, and they will leave the border open, for the short backstop period, but that will never end or change ever because no-one can come up with a solution.
With that in mind, it would seem completely foolish for our MP's to prevent the Withdrawal agreement on the basis of the backstop, because whether we have a backstop or don't have a backstop or don't have a deal, the actual result in terms of the border will be identical. No?
And therefore the ultimate question I suppose, will Brexit debates will go on FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE
