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[Politics] Brexit
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No. Some of them are rich.
Pretty pink fairy
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nicko31
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10,000 pages and we still haven't a clue where Brexit is going...
What ever happened to soulman?
How many of PPF's posts were created by a bot?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Or, more simply, Leavers voting to leave the EU in the referendum wish to leave the EU. As it says on the tin.
*Sigh*. For the four-thousandth time, the fairest course of action is a soft Brexit. That respects the result of the referendum most fairly. The reason you have people trying to stop Brexit is that any talk of a soft Brexit was clearly a lie and now the hard right are trying to force an insanely Hard Brexit.
Fine with a soft Brexit - it’s the fairest way and if I was a brexiteer I would be getting full steam behind it, as it’s the best chance of Brexit actually happening. Keep trying to force through a ludicrous version that was never even being considered at the time of the vote, and it risks Brexit falling apart entirely.
WTF
That is absolutely mental. He was making the point that the UK government haven't bothered to look at the border issue (again) and pleading that the EU shouldn't be blamed for that. I think we can all see who the pathetic one is here. You disappoint me - you seem a highly intelligent and decent fella from what I've read on here, but when it comes to the Tory party, you clearly have a massive blind spot. Johnson is undoubtedly one of, if not the worst PMs of all time, but you seem to make excuses for him at every turn.
Hi Simster, I am a decent fella but I'm not sure about the highly intelligent bit. I pass muster, I suppose!
The point I was trying to make, badly it seems, is that I thought it was 'unhelpful grandstanding' by PM Bettel. This was also the view expressed by the expelled Nicholas Soames, no fan of B.J.
Anyway, I no more think Johnson is a suitable PM for this country, than you do!
As for the Tories, I don't have a blind spot, but I have to admit that my fear of a Corbyn led Government, truly gives me the shits and maybe this is sometimes reflected in my posts!
Lovely day down here on the Sussex coast, hope it is the same in lovely old Reigate!
Put another way, if it isn’t simply about “winning”, why do you think 16million plus voters should be totally ignored?
But it obviously isn't that simple is it? If it was, it could have been done two weeks after the vote. Why do you leavers never question the lies from people on your own side? Gove was quite explicit that we'd stay inside the customs union if we left the EU, so why did May put up all those red lines (including being out of the customs union) in the first place?
Staying inside a customs union would have respected the vote, it would have been in line with what senior leave campainers actually stated in the first place, and would have been more democratically aligned with the referendum result.
I'm a remainer, and I'd have accepted this, and I think most of us would have. What I won't accept is what is being attempted by the lunatic right wing fringe that have taken hold of the Conservative party.
Pogue Mahone
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Many of the more thoughtful Leave voters, on seeing the evidence of how Leaving the EU would affect the UK, have changed their minds and would now prefer to remain.
It surprises me that there are still so many who think as you do - that we should leave, whatever the cost, because a vote was taken over three years ago - despite the obvious fact that this would be so catastrophic for the UK.
I really cannot understand why so many Leave enthusiasts have posted that prolifically. The disputed 2016 referendum was 'won' by the Leave lobby and it is surely up to the 'losing' side to discuss what, if anything can be done about it......
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Thrifty non-licker
They shouldn't. So, taking account the result of the referendum, how do you satisfy both sides? 52% in / 48% out?
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Congratulations - you are the 100,000th post on The NSC Brexit Thread poster. You should add a signature to your posts going forward to reflect this momentous achievement.
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Thrifty non-licker
Good plan......
As I just responded. With a soft (EEA-EFTA) Brexit. Fairest compromise. Still respects the result of the referendum, and acknowledge the large part of the country that continues to want close cooperation with the EU. Pretty simple really.
As has been stated countless times, you reach a compromise. Whether that's staying in the CU/SM or EEA/EFTA but it's the obvious approach. Opting for hard brexit (and ignoring the view of half the voters) is divisive and revoking A50 is even more divisive.
The only other way to heal the split is another referendum. So, a compromise or a referendum, I can't really see another alternative.
This sounds like one of those cognitive dissonance tests for Tories, the EU want to impose National Service.
I will admit that I did think the Luxembourg PM was opening himself up to those accusations, but equally you have to say that the EU by extension is simply doing what it can to distance itself from blame in these Brexit shambles.
Let's not forget the pre-amble here. Johnson spent his time undermining May - easily done, as her deal was truly dreadful. And that isn't a surprise considering the incompetent, clueless team she put together to do the negotiating (including Johnson and Gove, currently in office) - plus in true weedy fashion, she allowed herself to be bullied by right wing extremists in her party, such that the red lines imposed by the ERG made the job near impossible.
So May resigned, and this bullying mess has jumped in promising something he can't deliver. He tried of course, by trying to shut down democracy. That was his big plan - renegotiation was always impossible given the UK's absurd self-imposed red lines, so he was going to undemocratically force through no deal. Now all he is doing is going through the motions - turning up in various European capitals with absolutely no new ideas, and flouncing rather than standing up and speaking at long-organised pressers.
What a terrible prime minister he is. Where May was a drip, he is a bully - and even less competent.