[Politics] Brexit

WATFORD zero said:

When I first joined sometime before 2000 WATFORD O was a regular poster (****) on here before he was banned. So I set up an account called WATFORD 0 and spent a few weeks posting to much jollity, while WATFORD O accused everyone of stealing his login and password etc. After a few weeks, I got bored with winding up WATFORD O and got a mod to change it to WATFORD zero and have posted under this name ever since.

You may be right about Portslade Seagull being mistaken, but I think that my first assumption that he was as thick as two short planks is probably more accurate.

The one thing I think I can say without fear of contradiction though, is that Easthill yoof club pissed all over Courthope

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A1X said:

I think there was genuine scope for a compromise Brexit, however I lay the blame for it squarely at the feet of Cameron buggering off and May and her Government seemingly refusing to try and find one, instead opting to negotiate as the Conservative party rather than as the entire UK political system coming together (as should have happened), thus making it a party political issue. There would always be an entrenched few on either side but a lot more people had their positions hardened by the fringes because of the lack of a central, compromise position (e.g. Norway, which translates as "Out, but only just Out", which I maintain is still the most accurate interpretation of the result you will find). Many Leave voters claimed Norway was "a betrayal put forward by traitors which isn't Brexit", and many Remain voters claimed Norway was "ridiculous sop to the racists and morons".

Basically at the moment Britain needed to be led by grown-ups we ended up being dictated to by a bunch of children.

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pastafarian said:

The two are intertwined, the manifesto states they intend to Leave with a withdrawal agreement in place, and the manifesto states if that agreement is deemed to be shit then leave the EU without a shitty agreement in place. No where does it state we should leave with a shitty agreement.
Parliament currently considers the agreement to be crap. Not sure what is so difficult to understand about all of this.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Britain doesn't believe in Britain. The Scots certainly don't and we're selling the Northern Irish down the river. Even the Welsh are waking up to it.

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pb21 said:

I fully agree.

The manifesto quite explicitly and clearly in black and white commits us to leave the EU smoothly and orderly with a deal. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

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golddene said:

I was born and raised in Southwick about 100 yards from the recognised West / East Sussex county border line, ( cinder path ) I spent many a happy Thursday evening at Courthope youth club but don't have any recollection of the Easthill club? Mind you in those days a "stranger youth " strolling past Easthill park would summon the wrath of the local lads but those Thursdays in the company of "the luscious Swanny" or the delectable "Ms Hills " etc. halcyon days. Especially the occasional visit by the local "Rocker" master Hamlin, riding through the club car park on his greasy bike wearing a German helmet as crash protection, "those were the days" met him a few years later and his reputation was quite unfounded as he seemed a very nice chap once grown up!
Happy carefree days eh ? Pre common market,

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Not possible. Nobody has elaborated what a deal (even a shit deal) will look like. It cannot be done and it won't be done.

I agree with your other comments about the nation being split. But I don't agree it was whiney remainers that cause the problem. Unless you subscribe to the idea that 'remainer' May sabotaged Brexit.

The triumphalism of some remainers after the vote was as unpleasant as the cry baby emoting of some remainers was embarrassing. Both are, however, irrelevant.

If Boris knows how to leave why doesn't he tell us how? Is it a.......secret? He's such a naughty boy.

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Thunder Bolt said:

More Cabinet Ministers resigned in the three years of her tenure than any other leader.

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Pretty pink fairy said:

Good on them , they could see what was going on and weren't prepared to accept it and then she got removed from office
regards
DR

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golddene said:

A magnificent summing up A1X, exactly what should have been and explaining how most remainers would have compromised to reflect the very narrow " exit the EU " result, it's so strange how leave voters, well, the hard line on here and in Parliament, have seized their very narrow "win" and will now not accept any compromise short of completely out and nothing or no one will stand in the way of their complete annihilation of our membership and anyone who suggests such a thing is an undemocratic loon and now according to some of their number " watch for the fireworks" which I take as threats of violence and maybe riots in the streets and we are the undemocratic loons ! Still the football season starts in a month or so, maybe that'll calm things down a little ?

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Raleigh Chopper said:

What do you expect?
They are thick and have the mindset of a 5 year old.

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Pretty pink fairy said:

Good on them , they could see what was going on and weren't prepared to accept it and then she got removed from office

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

Strictly speaking she actually won the vote of confidence arranged by the 1922 Committee.

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A1X said:

You see this encapsulates my single biggest fear about Brexit. The process of leaving the EU itself is a really bad idea (in my opinion) but ultimately not something which would be a fully mortal blow to democracy. However, this to me doesn't seem especially far-fetched, and it's genuinely terrifying;

This certainly wasn't what Brexiters were voting for in 2016, because this goes way, way beyond it. It's the subversion of democracy in the name of "the people". Anyone who has used the phrase "will of the people" has, knowingly or not, led us down this particular path. And I don't see how we can bring it back without something extremely unpleasant happening. It's not about Brexit, it's far more important than that.

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Pretty pink fairy said:

I didn't vote for a deal , we will leave the EU No second referendum no pressure groups the choice is yours , the decision will be final , you need to stop clutching at straws
regards
DR

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

Strictly speaking she actually won the vote of confidence arranged by the 1922 Committee.

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pb21 said:

You also didn't vote for 'no deal'. You originally voted for a broad ambiguous concept, that may have involved us leaving with no deal, or leaving with a deal etc. etc. You may have had hopes for what that meant, but that's all you had.

The 2017 Tory manifesto, which garnered most votes, which sets out the current Government's position, quite clearly states we will leave the EU smoothly and orderly with a deal.

Quite obviously its you that needs to stop clutching at straws.

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Thunder Bolt said:

Correct. She is still the Prime Minister now, albeit standing down, later. She didn't get removed from office by any stretch of the imagination.

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WATFORD zero said:

It's PPF again, not Ppf.

There is absolutely no way of telling from the content.

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Pretty pink fairy said:

So she's going to be hiding under the bed at number 10 when Boris takes over , priceless

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