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Tyrone Biggums

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Jun 25, 2006
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Geelong, Australia
You mean people that disapprove of the Israeli governments serial abuse of International law? Or should we just ignore them as well as China is worse...

No I mean anti-Semites. These idiots don't care about laws, it's why they are actively encouraging people to break their own US laws.

Which is why they are viewed so poorly even by Democrats.
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,522
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No I mean anti-Semites. These idiots don't care about laws, it's why they are actively encouraging people to break their own US laws.

Which is why they are viewed so poorly even by Democrats.

Which one of the congresswomen abused by Trump is an anti-semite?
 


Klaas

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Nov 1, 2017
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It's amazing isn't it. By my calculations, the only thing left to be confirmed about the racist sex pest is his predilection for young girls.
 




Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
6,276
Hmm. Probably one of the main reasons why Trump was elected was because Hillary Clinton was so despised that many Democrats did not vote - hence your comment.

Talking of not voting, if the 18-30 year old eligible voters had actually got off their arses and cast a vote in the EU referendum we might not be going down the Brexit route. Surveys showed that they were the age group that were demonstrably in favour of remaining and yet did the least in trying to secure that.


Clinton was widely disliked and seen as part of the system/establishment. The mood was for change, real change and they got it. The age group you mention is a little too broadly based. Most of the surveys carried out focus on U25's. Interestingly, U25 females voted 80/20 in favour of Remain, U25 males a bit less so ( 61/39 ) Females show bigger splits in all age groups, than males. The sharpest division being females under 25 and females over 65.
Rather contradicts the stereotypical picture of the racist, thick, northern working class male, that many like to portray as the main contributors to the Leave vote. Seems like the most vehemently opposed to Brexit are U25 females and clearly the most polarised opposite are over 65 females.
The argument about the young not turning out holds some validity but so does the element, from every age group, who didn't bother because they assumed it was a foregone conclusion. ( i.e a certain Remain win ) According to recent polls, only half of 18-24 yr olds said they would be certain to vote in a second referendum, as opposed 84% of those aged 65 and over. Everything points to very little changing if we voted again.
 


el punal

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Clinton was widely disliked and seen as part of the system/establishment. The mood was for change, real change and they got it. The age group you mention is a little too broadly based. Most of the surveys carried out focus on U25's. Interestingly, U25 females voted 80/20 in favour of Remain, U25 males a bit less so ( 61/39 ) Females show bigger splits in all age groups, than males. The sharpest division being females under 25 and females over 65.
Rather contradicts the stereotypical picture of the racist, thick, northern working class male, that many like to portray as the main contributors to the Leave vote. Seems like the most vehemently opposed to Brexit are U25 females and clearly the most polarised opposite are over 65 females.
The argument about the young not turning out holds some validity but so does the element, from every age group, who didn't bother because they assumed it was a foregone conclusion. ( i.e a certain Remain win ) According to recent polls, only half of 18-24 yr olds said they would be certain to vote in a second referendum, as opposed 84% of those aged 65 and over. Everything points to very little changing if we voted again.

Thanks for the clarification. Following the result of the referendum myself and a group of friends were in the pub discussing the result. Most of us voted to remain, one friend voted to leave (surprisingly for him) and one made me want to spit blood. I’ve never voted in my life he stated. But, I said, this (meaning the referendum) has so much more meaning to all of this than a general election. It has a massive say on the direction that this country will take in all aspects of life. Don’t care, he said, never voted before, not going to start now. :shrug:
 






Mtoto

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Sep 28, 2003
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Clinton was widely disliked and seen as part of the system/establishment. The mood was for change, real change and they got it. The age group you mention is a little too broadly based. Most of the surveys carried out focus on U25's. Interestingly, U25 females voted 80/20 in favour of Remain, U25 males a bit less so ( 61/39 ) Females show bigger splits in all age groups, than males. The sharpest division being females under 25 and females over 65.
Rather contradicts the stereotypical picture of the racist, thick, northern working class male, that many like to portray as the main contributors to the Leave vote. Seems like the most vehemently opposed to Brexit are U25 females and clearly the most polarised opposite are over 65 females.
The argument about the young not turning out holds some validity but so does the element, from every age group, who didn't bother because they assumed it was a foregone conclusion. ( i.e a certain Remain win ) According to recent polls, only half of 18-24 yr olds said they would be certain to vote in a second referendum, as opposed 84% of those aged 65 and over. Everything points to very little changing if we voted again.

So widely disliked, in fact, that she only got 2.9m more votes than Trump.

Re the Leave vote, btw, you seem to be assuming that when people move from one age band to another, they automatically adopt the relevant voting profile from three years ago. The 65-plus group now includes around 1m people who were in the less Leave-y 56-65 group in June 2016. It's possible that lots of the Remain voters in there renounced their Remaniny-ness on their 65th birthday, but it's also the case that more people have joined the electorate than have left it (appx 2m new voters, 1.5m deaths) since the vote. If you extend your own logic to that cohort too, it could just as easily point to everything changing if we voted again.
 




Tom Bombadil

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Jul 14, 2003
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Well not necessarily.

Not when courses like Gender Studies and other such pointless degrees are included in that figure.

There are plenty of smart tradespeople out there who never went to a college but have higher IQs and better bank balances than these so called smart college people.

That's been a common reality for many who take pointless courses only to get out into the real world and find their bit of paper is worthless for the job market.

In 2015 more than 2000 gender studies degrees were awarded according to this link https://www.studyinternational.com/news/degrees-explained-gender-studies/ .

In the same year according to this link https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/mobile/EducationalOutcomes_College_Degrees_AA_BS.aspx 1.9 million batchelor degrees were awarded.

So gender studies accounts for at 0.15% of all degrees ie less than 1 in 650.

Even if we are to accept your argument that gender studies graduates shouldn't be considered as better educated we can can't accpet they invalidate the use of college graduates as a reasonable metric.
 




Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,323
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Clinton was widely disliked and seen as part of the system/establishment. The mood was for change, real change and they got it. The age group you mention is a little too broadly based. Most of the surveys carried out focus on U25's. Interestingly, U25 females voted 80/20 in favour of Remain, U25 males a bit less so ( 61/39 ) Females show bigger splits in all age groups, than males. The sharpest division being females under 25 and females over 65.

This is a bit of a distraction from Trump but this over-65 group being pro-Brexit is a bit misleading. Research from LSE shows that among the over-80s, support for Remain is almost on par with the 18-25 group. That means that the 65-79 group is massively against the EU. I wonder why there's such a strong feeling there - not matched by people just a few years older
 


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Oct 8, 2003
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This is a bit of a distraction from Trump but this over-65 group being pro-Brexit is a bit misleading. Research from LSE shows that among the over-80s, support for Remain is almost on par with the 18-25 group. That means that the 65-79 group is massively against the EU. I wonder why there's such a strong feeling there - not matched by people just a few years older

Baby boomers, never had it so good generation, grew up in full employment, things turned crap under Wilson (conspicuous numbers of 'unwashed' union men in number ten drinking tea) and Heath (3 day week, and entry into the common market). The generation most dazzled by Saint Margaret who restored British Pride by telling johnny foreigner (including the EU) what's what. Not saying this is the only generation with this nostalgia-tinted mindset, but it is most predominant here (not saying all oldies are rabid anti EU either). Those over 80 have better insight into how shit life can be during war with Europe.

Edit i seem to recall Small-ums backing the gun lobby after a mass shooting in the US on the grounds that the dead would have been safer had they all been armed. It has a certain logic to it. . . . .
 






Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Judge him on the state of the American economy.
Yes, he makes a lot of people squirm but how easily we forget the non-achieving, fake, Obama....the duplicitous Hilary.... and the plain idiotic, war-mongering Bush. What a collection of deadbeats.

Civilisation, especially leading a democracy, isn’t all about creating wealth for stockholders and reopening planet destroying industries.

Blatant racism against blacks, siding with extreme fascists, trying to crush healthcare for the poor, bullying misogyny, simply bullying in general, polluting the planet, having not a care for ecology .... are all very heavy prices to pay for giving tax breaks favouring the rich, creating jobs and a Wall Street boom.

Has any US President/Administration in the last 85 plus years, or ever, been so callous, devious, vicious, deliberately divisive, damaging to the planet? Trump wins on all counts.
 


Tyrone Biggums

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Jun 25, 2006
13,498
Geelong, Australia
In 2015 more than 2000 gender studies degrees were awarded according to this link https://www.studyinternational.com/news/degrees-explained-gender-studies/ .

In the same year according to this link https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/mobile/EducationalOutcomes_College_Degrees_AA_BS.aspx 1.9 million batchelor degrees were awarded.

So gender studies accounts for at 0.15% of all degrees ie less than 1 in 650.

Even if we are to accept your argument that gender studies graduates shouldn't be considered as better educated we can can't accpet they invalidate the use of college graduates as a reasonable metric.

That"s one example of worthless degrees. There's more out there.

Going to college doesn't make you more intelligent than those who didn't.

As the recent college scandal has proven, there's a system of nepotism where kids are getting in because of who they know, not what they know.

There also needs to be a break down of what subjects are favoured by Democrats and what favoured by Republicans.

If the Democrats are churning out basic teachers and the Republicans are churning out Engineers then as an intelligence based subject Engineers are smarter than Teachers.


As Mark Twain said "Lies, damned lies and statistics".
 


Tyrone Biggums

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Jun 25, 2006
13,498
Geelong, Australia
Which one of the congresswomen abused by Trump is an anti-semite?

Go and do your own research. That's what I notice about people on here, when it comes to what's going on in the US their knowledge seems to come from clickbait articles.

Just to get you started seeing as you're too lazy to do it yourself the Wiesenthal Centre went after Tlaib for things she said. That'd the left of centre pro Nazi hunters type of people.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/wiese...wmakers-for-anti-semitic-anti-israel-remarks/

If Trump is a racist for calling out these four senators, then the four senators are at heart racists as well.

So it's just a circle jerk of racism.
 






nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,522
Gods country fortnightly
The Alf Garnett tribute act is still going on this one

Educated women of colour expose all his prejudices in full, anyone who votes for him needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
 


darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
7,575
Sittingbourne, Kent
Go and do your own research. That's what I notice about people on here, when it comes to what's going on in the US their knowledge seems to come from clickbait articles.

Just to get you started seeing as you're too lazy to do it yourself the Wiesenthal Centre went after Tlaib for things she said. That'd the left of centre pro Nazi hunters type of people.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/wiese...wmakers-for-anti-semitic-anti-israel-remarks/

If Trump is a racist for calling out these four senators, then the four senators are at heart racists as well.

So it's just a circle jerk of racism.

Sorry, your research comes from a slightly biased source.

It appears that anyone that crticises Israel and its policies is now deemed anti-Semite in an attempt to shut them up. That in itself is racism of the worst kind...
 



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