[Politics] Brexit

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
So no actual debunking of yellowhammer from you then? Just a repeated meltdown.

What are your projections and what are they based on? Is it Unicorns and the front page of The Sun?

No vile human being, quite the opposite, you can spout this crap until you are red in the eyes, however, life has habit of not believing bullshit eventually. You are talking bullshit.

Eeyore · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
Vile human being, the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer projected a fall in the economy 8 weeks after a Leave election. That worked too.

The point remains that there are risks attached to no deal.

So we leave, but with a deal.

Sensible compromise ?

Why are some people so desperate to run the risk ? I'm sure if we've coped for 40 years we can manage a little longer.

If they'd passed May's deal we'd be gone and have just 18 months to go before it was completely over.

Guinness Boy · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
No vile human being, quite the opposite, you can spout this crap until you are red in the eyes, however, life has habit of not believing bullshit eventually. You are talking bullshit.

Asking you what your projection is and what it's based on is bullshit? It's perfectly simple. What is your analysis of what will happen in the event of no deal on 31 October and what have you based that outcome on?

Raleigh Chopper · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
Project Fear.

If you need any help to prove that you are by far the most ignorant of people, watch tonight's Newsnight.
It's almost finished so watch it on iPlayer.
In fact if anyone on here did not watch it I strongly suggest you do.
It's not BBC bias as you will see.

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
The point remains that there are risks attached to no deal.

So we leave, but with a deal.

Sensible compromise ?

Why are some people so desperate to run the risk ? I'm sure if we've coped for 40 years we can manage a little longer.

If they'd passed May's deal we'd be gone and have just 18 months to go before it was completely over.

Yes, sorry BL, I don't disagree. But if we don't get one we leave anyway. The commons have already voted down deals. Where do we go? We have to leave, it is what we wanted.

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
Asking you what your projection is and what it's based on is bullshit? It's perfectly simple. What is your analysis of what will happen in the event of no deal on 31 October and what have you based that outcome on?

I refer you vile human being to the answer I gave some moments ago (ex Chancellor).

Eeyore · Sep 11, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.

Its almost like a mantra for PPF. I have this image of him sitting on top of Ditchling Beacon in an orange gown, rocking back and forth, whipping himself in sequence. 'Leave means leave... leave means leave'.

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Raleigh Chopper said:
If you need any help to prove that you are by far the most ignorant of people, watch tonight's Newsnight.
It's almost finished so watch it on iPlayer.
In fact if anyone on here did not watch it I strongly suggest you do.
It's not BBC bias as you will see.

You lost me at abuse.

drew · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
But surely HWT, surely, surely, surely, you can see that we made a decision. Johnson is the ONLY person that has come forward and say he will do it. We have dithered for three years and got nowhere. As soon as someone says they'll do it non democrats are up in arms. I did not vote for a deal or a no deal, I voted to leave the EU, that was my choice and that's what I voted. That is what I want to see happen.

The decision was ill informed. Misleading information from the leave campaign and abject failure by Remain to back up their arguments and explain how the EU actually works.

When you voted to leave, with or without a deal, did you know what the economic and social consequences could be?

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
Its almost like a mantra for PPF. I have this image of him sitting on top of Ditchling Beacon in an orange gown, rocking back and forth, whipping himself in sequence. 'Leave means leave... leave means leave'.

Sadly I thought you were a bit more sensible, my bad.

Juan Albion · Sep 11, 2019

drew said:
The decision was ill informed. Misleading information from the leave campaign and abject failure by Remain to back up their arguments and explain how the EU actually works.

When you voted to leave, with or without a deal, did you know what the economic and social consequences could be?

His type don't know anything except they think "Leave means leave" and they are wrong about that, too.

GrizzlingGammon · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
Yes, sorry BL, I don't disagree. But if we don't get one we leave anyway. The commons have already voted down deals. Where do we go? We have to leave, it is what we wanted.

You put it back to the people.
A: here is our negotiated deal.
B: leave. Here are the outcomes of this with some projections- yellowhammer.
C: Remain as we are. A Germany+++. We have the same deal as Germany, but no schengen and no single currency.

Eeyore · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
Yes, sorry BL, I don't disagree. But if we don't get one we leave anyway. The commons have already voted down deals. Where do we go? We have to leave, it is what we wanted.

The way I see it we have one. It just seems that some in authority want the nuclear approach.

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

drew said:
The decision was ill informed. Misleading information from the leave campaign and abject failure by Remain to back up their arguments and explain how the EU actually works.

When you voted to leave, with or without a deal, did you know what the economic and social consequences could be?

No, but we still don't know, this really is a fear factor built in by non democrats. When we leave, and assuming our economy is ok, I will love to see you lot come back and say you were wrong. If our economy does take a dive I too will hold my hands up.

clapham_gull · Sep 11, 2019

Brighton Lines said:
The point remains that there are risks attached to no deal.

So we leave, but with a deal.

Sensible compromise ?

Why are some people so desperate to run the risk ? I'm sure if we've coped for 40 years we can manage a little longer.

If they'd passed May's deal we'd be gone and have just 18 months to go before it was completely over.

Yes, but you need to read up on the vision of Rees Mogg, Raab etc.. Leaving the EU is a means to an end and the news today about opening up non EU immigration is part of the package.

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Guinness Boy · Sep 11, 2019

Sussex Nomad said:
I refer you vile human being to the answer I gave some moments ago (ex Chancellor).

You didn't say what YOUR projections were at all. You said (somewhat disingenuously, because there certainly were economic issues around the Leave result, particularly around GDP and the falling pound) that he was wrong. But what's your take on petrol prices, food shortages, medical shortages, border queues and Northern Ireland.

HOW HARD CAN IT BE? Project means project.

Blue Valkyrie · Sep 11, 2019

It seems the Yellowhammer documents have quite a lot of positive spin and are nowhere near worst case.

We really need the Black Swan worst case documents released so we can properly prepare, even at this late stage.

Eeyore · Sep 11, 2019

GrizzlingGammon said:
You put it back to the people.
A: here is our negotiated deal.
B: leave. Here are the outcomes of this with some projections- yellowhammer.
C: Remain as we are. A Germany+++. We have the same deal as Germany, but no schengen and no single currency.

The problem is the average Joe is not as informed as those who are paid to know better. The public shouldn't be asked to decide based on campaigning propaganda.

I've listened to folk who reject the deal but in all honesty know little of it. They've just listened to its hype. Unless you read all 550 pages how are you in a position to judge ? That's what parliament is for.

That's why there should never have been a referendum in the first place.

But anyway, it is what it is.

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
You didn't say what YOUR projections were at all. You said (somewhat disingenuously, because there certainly were economic issues around the Leave result, particularly around GDP and the falling pound) that he was wrong. But what's your take on petrol prices, food shortages, medical shortages, border queues and Northern Ireland.

HOW HARD CAN IT BE? Project means project.

Oh sorry vile human being, were your comments your projection?

Sussex Nomad · Sep 11, 2019

Guinness Boy said:
You didn't say what YOUR projections were at all. You said (somewhat disingenuously, because there certainly were economic issues around the Leave result, particularly around GDP and the falling pound) that he was wrong. But what's your take on petrol prices, food shortages, medical shortages, border queues and Northern Ireland.

HOW HARD CAN IT BE? Project means project.

Sussex Nomad said:
Oh sorry vile human being, were your comments your projection?

Yeah, thought not, tosser.

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