Brian Fantana
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Posioned challice, innit.They knew that when it all inevitably went wrong, they could turn around and say 'well, you all voted for this. It's not our fault.'
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[Politics] Brexit
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Posioned challice, innit.They knew that when it all inevitably went wrong, they could turn around and say 'well, you all voted for this. It's not our fault.'
dejavuatbtn
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I voted leave on the basis that it didn’t look like we were going to be able to influence change from within. I was particularly unhappy having a central government and court having so much influence on our country. When we joined, we joined the Common Market and don’t believe we had enough say in how that was allowed to develop into what it is today, and what they want it to be in the future. What I didn’t know at the time of the latest referendum was just how complex and costly the exercise was going to be.
In hindsight I think it would have been better to try harder at influencing change from within. There appears to be a shift change in some of its members - the French and Italians I think would be bendable.
In hindsight I think it would have been better to try harder at influencing change from within. There appears to be a shift change in some of its members - the French and Italians I think would be bendable.
Raleigh Chopper
New member
It certainly is.
I voted remain mostly because I thought our politicians are just not capable of handling Brexit and will not do the right thing for the country.
You hated the reman campaign, I cringed at it, but no way was I going to believe a word that came out of the clown Johnson's mouth and refuse to have anything to do with Farage, I'm shocked so many did and fell for it.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Brexit Minister David Davis Leaver
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson Leaver
Environment Minister Michael Gove Leaver
Secretary of State for International Trade Liam Fox Leaver
Leader of the House Andrea Leadsom Leaver
Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson Leaver
Hardly on the outside looking in, just have and had no idea how to implement any kind of Brexit, let alone one that could actually be beneficial to our country.
Muppets.
larus
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Yeah, they’re all so frigging intelligent - like Diane Abbott.
As [MENTION=7]Mustafa[/MENTION] states, if the electorate are intelligent enough to elect the politicians on multiple policies, then surely the electorate are intelligent enough to choose in a yes/no vote.
Also, I see that you favour a 60/40 vote. No doubt the 60% would be needed to leave, but only 40% to remain. Wow, more democratic evidence of the remain voters.
If you want to live somewhere where you don’t elect you leaders (the real leaders who make most of the rules), the go and live in the EU after Brexit. The presidents aren’t elected by the people nor are the commissioners. Only the MEPs, and the real power lies in the Presidents/Commissioners.
Brian Fantana
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Errr, I said a bigger majority should be required for either decision. That way, you stand a better chance of avoiding the situation that we’re in now.
As for your last point, I am going to be doing so.
larus
Well-known member
You must be an idealist teen/early twenties.
If we had open borders, what do you really think the effect would be in the west with huge immigration from Africa/SE Asia?
larus
Well-known member
So what you mean is that the Remain voters are more important (as it would need a 3 to 2 vote to get leave). So a remain vote is worth 50% more than a leave vote.
Nice and democratic. Some are more equal than others.
larus
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And what happens to the money we use to try and do that? Most of it is lost in corruption to their ‘governments’.
Idealism always fails in the face of reality.
larus
Well-known member
Not at all. But I assume you’d support another referendum in say 18 months time if the polls show that people change their mind again!
Let's make this happen 
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-give-people-a-final-say-on-brexit-deal
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-give-people-a-final-say-on-brexit-deal
Creaky
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Not sure I can see your logic with this - why would someone who is honest in one country become dishonest in another. Certainly the value of the crime may differ but is £100 taken from someone in the West a bigger crime than £1 taken from someone in a third world country?
Crime would certainly move with the change in population, as would the demand on education, health, jobs etc. But increased demand on infrastructure in one place is balanced by decreased demand in another, increased crime balanced by decreased crime.
In societal terms border controls are beneficial, in individual terms they are a restriction of freedoms.
GT49er
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Davis isn't the Brexit Minister, and Johnson isn't the Foreign Secretary.
They resigned because they believed they had a better way of running Brexit; they were probably right too
I know it must be hard to recognise facts that undermine your argument, but do at least try to keep up.....................................
I’m not saying there should be a second referendum. The facts might have appeared obfuscated - well done - to some, but they appeared crystal clear to me. I was on the losing side but that doesn’t mean the best decision has been made for this country.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Davis isn't the Brexit Minister, and Johnson isn't the Foreign Secretary.
They resigned because they believed they had a better way of running Brexit; they were probably right too
I know it must be hard to recognise facts that undermine your argument, but do at least try to keep up.....................................
Re-read my post,I said have or HAD no idea how to implement Brexit.
My cat would be able to run Brexit better than the incompetents who are presently ballsing it up, but, there again, my cat is probably too intelligent to take us out of one of the biggest trading blocks in the World with no feasible plan.And he certainly wouldn't have voted for it.
I won't add any sarky comments about keeping up, you can obviously only concentrate on one thing at a time, so distracting you wouldn't really be fair.
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Hey, another post from a cock I've blocked (not you [MENTION=15363]Plooks[/MENTION], your assailant). Apologies if fixtures. It is hard to keep up, what with the diarrhetic deluge of posts these fit kippers keep posting....keep doing your Brexit pressups, boys
GT49er
Well-known member
Ah yes, you knew Boris and Davis hadn't got a clue because you knew what they're thoughts were. Amazing that you have the ability to know what was in their minds, what ideas they had. Yes, yes, we understand that all remoaners know what people who voted or promoted Brexit were thinking. #thick. #old, #racist, #no idea.
Now you reveal that some remoaners even imagine they know how their cats would vote if they had a vote! Wowee! Delusional - but do carry on. It's good to have a laugh.
Oh, and you really don't have anything like enough going for you to distract me, but dream on. That won't bother me, even though you did actually add some sarky comments after saying you wouldn't. True EU disciple, you!
I didn't say they would. Millions upon millions of people would travel, in the hope of a better life. As well as those, will be millions of dishonest people, looking to take advantage of opportunities that arise. And as the systems fail to cope with the vast numbers of people travelling, opportunities would arise, and dishonest people would take advantage of them. Meanwhile, because so many came for a better life, many will find that they can't earn money, and they'll struggle to get food or shelter without also resorting to crime.
Remainers didn’t riot after the 2016 result. Why should Leavers riot if that result is democratically overturned because some people have changed their minds in light of new information (like no prospect of there ever being the promised windfall for the NHS)?
Rioting would be a pretty thick response from people we’re constantly being told are intelligent and know what’s best for the country.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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By a remarkable coincidence I also tuned into this almost by accident and just for the few minutes of this caller. He was totally dumbfounded by the points she makes and literally had no answers. Thanks for posting.