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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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You are right, however - they would be shooting themselves in the foot by doing that. No Deal Brexit affects the EU badly as well. Generally the EU seem to have spoken fairly well with one voice throughout the process, unlike our bunch of morons.
KZNSeagull
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Well lets see what happens on Monday. Onus now on Parliament to actually agree on something.
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
Kate Hoey didn't vote for it? Has she gone full ERG?
Dr Bandler
Well-known member
Absolutely agree. I thought that his ideas may be an anachronistic throwback to the past, but that he at least stood by them and was principled in that. He has now blown that and has no credibility at all. I am not sure which MPs do now, though.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
It's not really strawmanning when you made a specific reference to whether a delivered brexit represented 'taking back control'. It was put to you what defined brexit, and that is what you replied with. Giving you examples of what taking back control might look like, or the subjective reality isn't straw manning just because you disagree, and it isn't a straw man as it doesn't create a separate argument or detract from your original point. I don't disagree with your description of the ERG either, but they do have a cunning plan for deregulation whether aggressive tax breaks or workers rights - why else do you think the hard right of the Tory party have been Euro-sceptic all these years?
How have the opposition let the country down? They weren't consulted on this deal, it hasn't changed since last Autumn. The government's own benches and the DUP have led the calls to vote the deal down. I don't see how Labour, Liberals, SNP, Green, DUP, or any other party has let people down. There is only one party to blame for where we are right now.
I think I’m done with Brexit for now. I’ll be back in a few weeks. See you on the Fridat Drinks thread. Up ze Hove!
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WATCH | The wretched EU deal is dead, but not thanks to Tory turncoats who rolled over for May. While the DUP stood firm, [MENTION=26624]Jacob[/MENTION]_Rees_Mogg backed the deal (despite saying he'd vote with them!)
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WATCH | The wretched EU deal is dead, but not thanks to Tory turncoats who rolled over for May. While the DUP stood firm, [MENTION=26624]Jacob[/MENTION]_Rees_Mogg backed the deal (despite saying he'd vote with them!)
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
I reckon Meaningful Vote 17 might just see it over the line
Because at no point have the opposition party been a clear, concise and united voice on Europe.
There has been no leadership or party line.
I have heard Labour MP's arguing with each other about their leaders stance on Europe.
Of course this is a Conservative Party clusterf**k, but unfortunately for everybody else it's a clusterf**k of such magnitude everybody else is being hit by the fallout.
Just sitting by silently watching the Tories take a Gatling gun to their own feet is normally fine and dandy.
But this time they have been aiming at everybody's feet and all the Labour Party has done is say 'hey don't forget us - we've got feet as well'.
- Jul 10, 2003
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'And this is why some violence is inevitable' WTF ?
I notice you are off with the insults again as soon as someone disagrees with you (seems to be a common feature amongst certain groups on here).
This whole spat started because you said something stupid
I pointed out that you said something stupid and then when you realise how stupid it was you go off down the 'patronising' path as you can't bear to admit that what you have said is plain stupid.
Then when I point out that calling someone patronising is a common way of deflecting from the fact they have just stated the obvious, you 'advise' me to stop stating the obvious, as it could lead to violence ?
Kowtowing to pathetic insults and threats of violence from immature people for making statements of fact is not what has made Britain and Europe Great
(Or maybe, if you don't make stupid statements, I won't feel compelled to point them out and peace will prevail)
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ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
The ERG have been a massive part of the problem. In Iain Martin's column in The Times yesterday he wrote about them and a 2nd referendum which Dominic Cummings is already preparing for:
Cummings is also clear that the hardline Tories of the European Research Group will play no part in this. They’ll be banned from joining.
In his blog, Cummings castigated in clinical terms MPs in general and members of the ERG in particular. Some of these hardliners have spent years feasting on media attention that they will never receive again, while wittering on about the WTO.
The bottom line is that they propped up Theresa May when she should have been removed after losing her majority in the 2017 election. That would have given us a chance to reset Brexit negotiations. Next, they botched an attempt to oust her last December. Now some of them have changed position to back her deal when it’s probably too late and is done for anyway.
Correctly, the Cummings analysis is that such Tory infighting obscures a bigger point. If Brexit is stopped and the Tory party chooses not to become the voice of a new Leave movement, then his network might have to become a new party to take on the old ones that promised to respect the 2016 vote and didn’t. Let’s see.
Says a friend: “Dom thinks the Tories might be about to slit their own throats for good if Brussels insists on a second referendum as the price of avoiding no-deal.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/beware-the-anger-of-frustrated-brexiteers-wdrtk6pm9
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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It’s very simple. Take it back to the country, Remain or Leave, if Leave, which Leave, no deal or Mays deal. If politicians like Smogg can change their mind then why can’t we ask the country when so much has changed in the last three years.
HAPPY BREXIT DAY
HAPPY BREXIT DAY
It's never a good time to gloat, hell, we should be well aware of how it has a habit of coming back to bite you (see 'them' up the road), but that said, I feel a lot happier today.
I shall enjoy the weekend now - off work, match tomorrow, and other half is clearing off abroad for a week or so, leaving me in peace.
Cheers, all.
I shall enjoy the weekend now - off work, match tomorrow, and other half is clearing off abroad for a week or so, leaving me in peace.
Cheers, all.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
LadySeagull
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vegster
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- May 5, 2008
- 27,894
I have a feeling that ever so slowly sanity may be restored so I'm happier. Happier still to see Brooksteed Alehouse has Jaipur on cask at the moment, first one going down nicely at the moment and a 2 pint takeaway ready to go..... Heaven!It's never a good time to gloat, hell, we should be well aware of how it has a habit of coming back to bite you (see 'them' up the road), but that said, I feel a lot happier today.
I shall enjoy the weekend now - off work, match tomorrow, and other half is clearing off abroad for a week or so, leaving me in peace.
Cheers, all.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I thought only MPs talked in Unicorns and Magical Creatures?