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lasvegan

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Jan 30, 2009
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RexCathedra said:
The Democrats are 'socialists', and their policies represent 'extreme leftist positions', only in a world where you can call this 'beer'.

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In a world with Die Linke, and La France Insoumise and Podemos, the whole notion that the US Democratic Party is somehow 'socialist' is risible. It's embarrassing anyone sharing a continent with them, or even Blair's Labour -- never mind Clause IV Labour -- making such a category error.

Unless I missed Mrs. Clinton calling for the commanding heights of the economy to be placed in the hands of the workers one night while I was sleeping, of course.
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Don't think Mrs. Clinton is running, but this fool is...

https://www.hoover.org/research/how-socialist-bernie-sanders
 




So.CalGull

So.CalGull

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Sep 28, 2010
505
Orange County. California.
MillerEP said:
1) Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary botched Libya, Syria, Crimea, Iran, and Iraq, and I didn't want his handpicked successor continuing his terrible foreign policy. Donnies answer = To put Hilary in prison, yep that worked out well. Has repeatedly insulted European allies, become good friends / not friends with one of the planets most babaric dictators, with no change to the NK Nuclear policy. Has attempted to ban all Muslims from entering the US and increased tensions in Iran. Check that as a success to vote him back in.

2) I support building a wall on our southern border, I live in Texas so this has been a hot-button topic for us for decades, and he was the only one for it. Donnies answer = Before he became president, 654 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile U.S. Mexico border had primary barriers. As of today, that hasn’t increased. To date, the administration has replaced about 60 miles of dilapidated barriers with new fencing. And a major component of Trump’s pledge — that Mexico would pay for the wall — hasn’t been part of the equation. U.S. taxpayers have paid the cost. Including shutting down the government, holding them to ransom for $5 billion, at a cost of around $20 million per hour of shutdown to the tax payer. Check that as a success to vote him back in.

3) He promised to "drain the swamp" against lobbyists, which I support, so I thought a non-career politician might be the one to get it done. Donnies answer = In most agencies, payroll was cut. But, the hiring at two large agencies binged. Now, the total head count of the federal bureaucracy is at an all-time high. But, regarding lobbyists, and this is the best part, in the executive office of the president, nearly 50 former lobbyists transitioned to Trump’s team. There are 33 companies or organizations that each have at least five former lobbyists who made their way into the Trump administration. Check that as a success to vote him back in.

New election coming up in a few months, and I'll see how it shakes out. Depending on who the Democratic nominee is, I might have to vote for him again.
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That is just three things you mention, add in the massive changes to Healthcare he promised? the China tarrifs and what that would do the economy? Taking ISIS oil and decreasing US output of fossil fuels? and so on, non of which he has made major inroads on, in fact in all of these 3 plans have or will not have positive outcomes.

If these "successes" are the bases for voting him in again, then good luck to all of us who pay (very large) tax bills for the next term.
 


vegster

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,890
Blue Valkyrie said:
They had to wheel out Pence today to face the cameras.


https://twitter.com/BostonBedelia/status/1168130791223808001?s=19

https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/status/1168132680438951936?s=19

Trumpski is now seen less and less in public.

25th Amendment can't be far off as Trump's mental decline continues.



https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/status/1167827250604982272?s=19
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Looks like the news of the problems of Trump's health is spreading, The Independent has a feature now,


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/news...-presidents-health/ar-AAGWC0d?ocid=spartanntp
 


Stat Brother

Stat Brother

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NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,660
West west west Sussex
Snort


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vegster

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,890
Juan Albion said:
Just fired John Bolton.
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I wonder how many have Walked/Jumped/ Been Pushed/Sacked in his time ? It seems that anyone trying to contain Trump by stating the harsh realities of international diplomacy don't hang around to long .
 






RexCathedra

RexCathedra

Aurea Mediocritas
Jan 14, 2005
3,499
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lasvegan said:
Don't think Mrs. Clinton is running, but this fool is...

https://www.hoover.org/research/how-socialist-bernie-sanders
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And he is loudly, ostentaciously, publicly not a Democrat.

Sanders changed his party affiliation back to 'Independent' the day after the 2016 general election, preparatory to running again in 2020.

He's after the ballot line, and nothing else,and only because third-party presidential runs are dead from the start.
 
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Juan Albion

Juan Albion

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Jul 9, 2003
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RexCathedra

RexCathedra

Aurea Mediocritas
Jan 14, 2005
3,499
Vacationland
She 's one Representative, in a deeply liberal district -- the city of New York sent actual socialists to the House (e.g. Vito Marcantonio) sixty years ago.

Do people get this bent out of shape because of a single MP in a 600+ seat House of Commons? Is the UK just one more Charlottte Lucas away from an untimely end?

Of course, Vito wasn't hot . Or not-quite-30
 
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Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

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Jan 16, 2008
5,125
So.CalGull said:
If these "successes" are the bases for voting him in again, then good luck to all of us who pay (very large) tax bills for the next term.
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As another US taxpayer I agree with that. I saw Real Time with Bill Maher a few weeks ago. He was saying that regardless of all the other nonsense associated with Trump the economic indicators (jobs and Dow Jones index) are still quite good. He then went on to say he would welcome a recession as that is one thing that would definitely have an affect on Trumps current popularity as a lot of Americans would reconsider who they vote for once they saw their job prospects and 401Ks heading South. I think that's a bit extreme (it would not affect the likes of Maher anyway) but I can see his point. Until I get my American citizenship I cannot vote but I would definitely contribute to campaign funds if the Democrats can put the right individual forward (and I'm not convinced this will happen) if it helps get Trump out of the White House
 




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lasvegan

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Jan 30, 2009
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RexCathedra said:
And he is loudly, ostentaciously, publicly not a Democrat.

Sanders changed his party affiliation back to 'Independent' the day after the 2016 general election, preparatory to running again in 2020.

He's after the ballot line, and nothing else,and only because third-party presidential runs are dead from the start.
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The party rules state that a candidate must "be a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings, and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare, and success of the Democratic Party of the United States who subscribes to the substance, intent, and principles of the Charter and the Bylaws of the Democratic Party of the United States, and who will participate in the Convention in good faith."

Don’t kid yourself. He can call himself whatever he wants, but he’s been accepted by the DNC as a legitimate candidate and has an ‘evens’ chance of winning the party vote.
 


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lasvegan

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Lyndhurst 14 said:
As another US taxpayer I agree with that. I saw Real Time with Bill Maher a few weeks ago. He was saying that regardless of all the other nonsense associated with Trump the economic indicators (jobs and Dow Jones index) are still quite good. He then went on to say he would welcome a recession as that is one thing that would definitely have an affect on Trumps current popularity as a lot of Americans would reconsider who they vote for once they saw their job prospects and 401Ks heading South. I think that's a bit extreme (it would not affect the likes of Maher anyway) but I can see his point. Until I get my American citizenship I cannot vote but I would definitely contribute to campaign funds if the Democrats can put the right individual forward (and I'm not convinced this will happen) if it helps get Trump out of the White House
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It just goes to show how screwed up things are when people desperately wished that the economy would go down the crapper instead of being the success we are currently enjoying. Why would anyone want that? It’s mad...

And if you’re worried about paying more taxes (as if the rates in CA and NY aren’t already high enough), why would you want somebody like Sanders or Warren in office?
 


So.CalGull

So.CalGull

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Sep 28, 2010
505
Orange County. California.
We are not in success.

Mr Trump is quite possibly the finest spinner of facts that we will ever see, for that reason alone, I kind of give him a tip of the hat.

But it stops there. A Recession is looming, it has nothing to do with Donnie, it is time that predicts when it happens. Thankfully the mortgage lenders have learnt not to give out 100% mortgages like sweets. This next recession will be a victim of time, and for the Don, it is about deflecting that until the next election. Donnie has been cashing in on what the previous administration built. His tactics of Tariffs and aggression are a short term game, that will back fire, but only after the next election has passed

His approach is very similar to what we have witnessed with the Albion. Archer saw a cash cow, he lied to the us the fans, but did not bank on the media following through and highlighting the issues, Trump is so self absorbed, just like Archer, he will not see reality and will honestly believe that what he is doing is correct. Archer lived lie to lie, as is the great Orange one. At some point, with some heavy handed due diligence he will be found out.

If you think what is happening now is a success, then I feel for you. Taxes are the highest we have ever paid, gas is rising beyond normal pace, and anything imported is twice the price it was 2 months ago. Go visit Walmart and see how prices are rising, then go back in 3 , 6 and 9 months to see how the shelfs will be less filled and you will be paying sustainability more than you were last year.

Trump has zero interest in the people, he is only interested in his self image and legacy, to not see that is sad, very sad.
 


Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

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Jan 16, 2008
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lasvegan said:
It just goes to show how screwed up things are when people desperately wished that the economy would go down the crapper instead of being the success we are currently enjoying. Why would anyone want that? It’s mad...
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Clearly we don't agree politically - that's fine, each to their own. I do agree with So.CalGull that a lot of the economic success he is claiming has been inherited. I'm in construction and his policy on tariffs is also starting to bite - the wrong way

lasvegan said:
And if you’re worried about paying more taxes (as if the rates in CA and NY aren’t already high enough), why would you want somebody like Sanders or Warren in office?
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I'm already paying higher taxes because of Trump. I've lived in the States just over 11 years. For the first 10 years when I filed my taxes I got a State and Federal Tax refund, last year (Trumps first full year of office) I wrote a check to the Federal Reserve instead. Some of the 1%, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, have already said they would be prepared to pay higher taxes - but Trump is never going to increase taxes on his super rich buddies.

I don't think Bernie or Joe Biden are necessarily the answer - too old and too white for a lot of the electorate. Not sure who that leaves, I was impressed with Kamala Harris but she has some work to do in the next TV debate.

I think there is a good chance Trump could get re-elected and that is really depressing. The only consolation is the 2 term limit, which at worst gives him until 2024 before he gets unceremoniously booted out of the White House. What is really telling about Trump is how much all his previous advisers and cabinet members hate him, more so than any other President I can remember. Anthony Scaramucci is really enjoying himself at the minute with his comments about his ex boss, think this is the best "Trump is very intimidated by Justin Trudeau because he’s a good looking, smart kid and President Trump is like this orange fat blob"
 






Lyndhurst 14

Lyndhurst 14

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Jan 16, 2008
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Watched a bit of the Democratic nominee debate last night, at nearly 3 hours way too long to watch all of it. Now it's down to 10 it was a bit more interesting - I actually think any one of them could wipe the floor with Trump as he's such an intellectual lightweight. Disappointed with Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders - Elizabeth Warren did pretty well but not sure she's the one to lead them against Trump. I think that gun control is definitely going to be an issue the Democrats will all campaign on - it certainly was last night
 


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