We have the strange situation that one of the major arguments in favour of vote leave was taking back control from unelected European Mandarins and here we are with Fararge and Cummings neither has been elected to any position within the British government let alone parliament rather odd that taking back control results in this
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We have the strange situation that one of the major arguments in favour of vote leave was taking back control from unelected European Mandarins and here we are with Fararge and Cummings neither has been elected to any position within the British government let alone parliament rather odd that taking back control results in this
“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or should it spilt families down the middle, have friends disown each other, go through two new Prime Ministers, including Boris Johnson, have a minority government propped up by the DUP that the opposition won’t actually oppose, use The Queen for political ends and remain for the next three and a quarter years anyway”.
You’ve got to hand it to Cameron. This referendum wheeze certainly was a top, top idea.
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You’ve got to hand it to Cameron. This referendum wheeze certainly was a top, top idea.
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Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
It was that or * Chaos with Ed Miliband *.
Granny on the wing
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A question for yourself and other Remain posters has there been any posts from Leave voters who have been convinced by your view of the political world since 2016 that your posts have convinced them that voting Leave was a mistake and if there was a second Referendum they would vote Remain ? just curious .
I don’t think so, though I have not tried and have only skimmed this thread, but leavers seemed to be entrenched in their beliefs that no amount of facts will dislodge and going “na na na na you lost”
like the intellects they are.
Why do you describe it as simply a 'view'? Of course there is that aspect of it, but one would have to be blind to not see the overwhelming likelihood of 'bad times ahead', should we leave, particularly in the event of a No Deal.
I'm at a loss as to why some Leavers dismiss it all as 'Project Fear', as if everyone but other Leave voters are lying to them.
To answer your question (in a roundabout way), yes...I actually know people who voted Leave who have had second thoughts. Is that so surprising to you?
After all, it's now't but a massive gamble, for everyone, not just Leave voters.
Posts from certain leavers have enhanced my view it’s a mistake to leave to EU
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drew
Drew
Idol worship of a lying oaf. Says it all.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Yellowhammer has been released.
It’s as bad as many thought it would be.
The whole of paragraph 15 is redacted, I wonder if that’s the one concerning martial law.
It’s as bad as many thought it would be.
The whole of paragraph 15 is redacted, I wonder if that’s the one concerning martial law.
Daddies_Sauce
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In case this has not been seen yet...
https://assets.publishing.service.g...est_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.g...est_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf
drew
Drew
I don't think there are any leave posters on here that have changed their mind but the point is that there might be observers who may be persuaded by factual answers. Let's be honest, there are leave voters who have it in their dna to despise the EU, on notably has hated it since the day we joined. You don't need to persuade 17m people to change their mind, just those that were effectively floating voters.
That said, there could be leave voters that construct an argument to confirm it was the right decision but we yet to see anything along those lines!
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beorhthelm
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less flammatory than many have suggested, lots of loose qualification. focus on the redacted part will make up for this.
https://twitter.com/rosamundurwin/status/1171864228879372289?s=21
Been rebadged from base scenario to reasonable worst case. Tories are taking the piss out of every voter now.
Para 15 regarding uncompetitive fuel exports leading to job losses as two refineries close and unavailability of fuel in those areas.
Big scoop from @Byline_Media - extraordinary amounts of money amounting to £8.3bn placed by Boris Johnson and Vote Leave backers on a no deal crashout on 31 October #Disast
Sussex Nomad
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#Disast
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And Labour, SNP isn't?
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
I’ve now read the Operation Yellowhammer report.
Is there any no deal Leaver that can give me even one benefit of a no deal Brexit. You will have to also provide an alternative to a WTO managed transition ,as due to Trumps blocking of Appeal Judges on the WTO appeals process, it looks like the World Trade Organisation will have ground to a halt by the end of December.
Is there any no deal Leaver that can give me even one benefit of a no deal Brexit. You will have to also provide an alternative to a WTO managed transition ,as due to Trumps blocking of Appeal Judges on the WTO appeals process, it looks like the World Trade Organisation will have ground to a halt by the end of December.
They aren’t in charge of this shitshow. Tories are lying and cheating their way to no deal against the wishes of our elected representatives without scrutiny.