I appreciate the detail that you have gone into but you haven’t answered my question so I’ll ask again, was the then EEC the same as the now EU, Y/N ?
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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I appreciate the detail that you have gone into but you haven’t answered my question so I’ll ask again, was the then EEC the same as the now EU, Y/N ?
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Probably in a similar vein, I expect to see more appointments like this from EU now that there is a strong far right element in it.
BBC News - EU chief under fire over 'protecting way of life' portfolio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49661650
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Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,161
Never been a more glaring example of someone promoted to the level of their incompetence. BoJo's do-or-die, thud and blunder fall from grace is as beautiful as it was predictable 
- Apr 5, 2014
- 23,540
Yes. I did rather feel sorry for the person who announced the judgement.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
We've never been a second class member. No other member has as many benefits or vetoes as us. France envies us our benefits.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 23,540
The ERG will be wishing we'd never left.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
No, as I said each treaty has been introduced, voted on and accepted or vetoed as the case may be. Nothin in politics ever stays the same.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Hahaha! There is a certain kind of irony there.
Brexit aside, the rise of the far right in the UK and on the continent is worrying.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,303
hmmm, delicious irony.
KZNSeagull
Well-known member
So now is parliament's chance to make a decision. Recall parliament, postpone the conference season and sit day and night from today onwards to find a solution to this national crisis.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
It’s as comparable to no deal is to what Johnson, Farage etc told you would be our exit strategy.
Things change,politics is flexible.
So we have only had one referendum then on the EU not two.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Not according to the information I had at the time.
Before anyone gets too excited (about the 'unlawful' closure of parliament ruling), the government will appeal to the supreme court and will (in my view) win.
Meanwhile time ticks, and we will almost certainly now tumble out of the EU with no deal. The EU will not give us an extension in order to have another referendum, so if Boris asks for that (he won't) he'll be told to eff off. The only basis for an extension is to fine tune the details of the deal that the majority of parliament favours. But parliament has signaled it does not favour any of the deals discussed. Moreover Boris has already moved the goalposts by disavowing the backstop, and the EU won't give an extension in that context.
So Boris has won, surely?
Unless the supreme court upholds the jock judgment. And even then, so what? If Boris says 'OK then, we can recall parliament' there is still nothing to discuss......even a general election won't solve anything since even if labour win they have no plan for dealing with the OCT 31 deadline (the only plan would be to announce we are going to simply not leave). The point being that labour have aready promised they will offer another referendum and to do that they would need to halt Brexit (they won't be able to delay it with an extension - see above for reasons).
Meanwhile time ticks, and we will almost certainly now tumble out of the EU with no deal. The EU will not give us an extension in order to have another referendum, so if Boris asks for that (he won't) he'll be told to eff off. The only basis for an extension is to fine tune the details of the deal that the majority of parliament favours. But parliament has signaled it does not favour any of the deals discussed. Moreover Boris has already moved the goalposts by disavowing the backstop, and the EU won't give an extension in that context.
So Boris has won, surely?
Unless the supreme court upholds the jock judgment. And even then, so what? If Boris says 'OK then, we can recall parliament' there is still nothing to discuss......even a general election won't solve anything since even if labour win they have no plan for dealing with the OCT 31 deadline (the only plan would be to announce we are going to simply not leave). The point being that labour have aready promised they will offer another referendum and to do that they would need to halt Brexit (they won't be able to delay it with an extension - see above for reasons).
But that wasn’t the question was it? It was aimed at membership of the EU. Leave means leave, from a firm remainer.
Stato
Well-known member
- Dec 21, 2011
- 6,583
It's football isn't it? I can't think of anything else that is so endemic to the continent. The countries on the mainland also seem to be united by a love for terrible dance pop music. We're the exception to this and I had presumed that's why we were leaving. We're negotiating to come out on HWT terms that mean we don't have to take their chart stuff, but do have to listen to obscure Eastern European Techno and Goth Bands from Belgium.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
I’m not having a pop, but, I do remember one of Thatchers elections, the BBC did a big news item on ex-pats, and whether they should have a vote.
They vox popped a. Brit couple living South Africa, the husband was very vociferous in his support for the Tories, and his absolute right to have a say in the Government of the old country.
His wife was just as certain that she could never vote for ‘that awful Thatcher woman’ until her old man explained she was the Tory Party leader, and serving Prime Minister.
Trufflehound
Re-enfranchised
And we would have had an even-more UK-friendly union had the UK government actively engaged and debated rather than folding its arms and holding its breath in disgust every time it heard a suggestion it didn't like.