I'm still waiting for a reply.
But more importantly I'm waiting for [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] to explain the WTO ramifications of 0% duty on petrol imports but a 4.7% export duty on petrol sold to the EU.
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[Politics] Brexit
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But more importantly I'm waiting for [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] to explain the WTO ramifications of 0% duty on petrol imports but a 4.7% export duty on petrol sold to the EU.
Yes, as long as nothing changes. My point was that things could change. The history between Eire and Ulster has included moving guns, paramilitary funding and other naughtiness across an unpoliceable border. If troubles resume....
Also, let's not forget that if people are willing to travel from the middle east and camp on the France coast in order to make hazardous journeys across the channel to illegally enter the UK, consider how much more attractive the porous Irish border would be.
I am not saying any of this will happen, but I think that making some sort of planning would be wise.
But that's the case even if we remain in the EU.
So why don't they travel to Ireland now?
I think this includes the Right Honourable Member for Shoreham and East Worthing.
You need to ask yourself this, if two constituents have opposing views...how does the MP represent both of these people?
They can’t, and they don’t. It’s this simple.
I think being in the EU has helped keep the peace. After we leave I can see things changing. Separately, where there is scope for making money across a border, taking advantage of differences between states, criminals will move in. Consider, if no borders were needed anywhere there would be none. Borders disappear only when there are deals that allow free trade and movement of people....of course if our Brexit deal included free trade . . . .no problem (and see below)
Actually that is an excellent point. I presume the perception is that Calais is as close to England as you can get. One less sea crossing. I have no idea why folk don't head for the Ireland border now, but they don't so I guess they won't.
dingodan
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It's easy. They do what they said they would do when they ran and got elected.
Thunder Bolt
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Only if you are in the Single Market.
WTO rules also means a hard border, as I understand it.
dingodan
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They represent the people who elected them. That's why they were elected. To represented the people who elected them to represent them. Based on what they promised to do.
Who is failing to understand the basics of democracy here?
dingodan
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Right.
So when an MP is elected on the basis that they will respect the vote and get Brexit done - not doing so aint democracy.
I couldn't agree more.
dingodan
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I can accept that for almost all circumstances except for two.
When an explicit promise is made during an election.
When a decision is deferred to the people, the people's instruction is sought, and their instruction is given.
You, it seems.
Thunder Bolt
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I agree but unless we stay in the Single Market, and allow Free Movement, then the back stop is needed.
There are four basics of the EU, and those are two of them.
Switzerland is also in EFTA with 6 other countries. There is free movement for people but their border closes every night for freight.
highflyer
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I think we need to agree some kind of fair distribution of labour on this and organize a 'take turns to explain how democracy works to [MENTION=18559]dingodan[/MENTION]' system.
Get a deal?
dingodan
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What you are all saying about "how democracy works", is infact how it doesn't work.
In every sense. The proof is in the pudding. Your way is the current way being effected.
It won't "work" this way, because trust is gone.
A no-deal Brexit may have had some negative consequences for this country.
A no-trust democracy will ultimately take us somewhere much worse when all is said and done.
I'll have a GUESS at that.
I'll put it down to geography:-
The exports from Europe to Ireland will predominately be coming from east of the UK.
So everything would either have to be transported across France to Brittany.
Or shipped from Calais, the width of the channel, before heading north.
The crossing itself:-
Shitehouse.
Finally multi drops:-
Companies, haulagers and couriers might not do much business with Ireland, but plenty with The UK & Ireland.
Nobody wants to be chugging around Europe with an empty container/vehicle etc.
Grombleton
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What happens if you chose to vote one way, but it wasn't the majority in the consituency? So if you voted leave but the constituency voted to remain - it might not be the overall majority across the country but he would now, in fact be doing as instructed.
We've already established there's free enough movement for commuters across the Swiss border.
But ALL freight is subject to all the usual checks required for entering a country in a different economic zone.
That makes sense. If the Dover Calais border gets even harder after Brexit, however, the route to Ireland via Brittany (for legal as well as illegal travel) may become more appealing.
Small point I guess - time will tell, etc.