[Albion] Emiliano Sala [signed by Cardiff, confirmed to have been on missing aircraft]

herecomesaregular · Jan 25, 2019

It does make me think of those young lads flying missions in single engine, propeller planes in winter, through ice and snow, for king and country.

dangull · Jan 25, 2019

Hope they didn't suffer and the end was quick.

Nottseagull · Jan 26, 2019

dangull said:
Hope they didn't suffer and the end was quick.

I imagine that would entirely depend on how the plane hit the water. Has it been confirmed that it was carrying a black box, because that could be crucial to preventing further such tragedies, considering that the passenger managed to message that the aircraft seemed to be falling apart (or similar expression).

Juan Albion · Jan 26, 2019

Nottseagull said:
I imagine that would entirely depend on how the plane hit the water. Has it been confirmed that it was carrying a black box, because that could be crucial to preventing further such tragedies, considering that the passenger managed to message that the aircraft seemed to be falling apart (or similar expression).

They usually don't.

Nottseagull · Jan 26, 2019

Juan Albion said:
They usually don't.

I read elsewhere that they did, but that was only one source. From what is being rumoured about the plane, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out it wasn't carrying one when it should have been. However, I must stress that is nothing more than pure speculation.

Nottseagull · Jan 26, 2019

Jakeg said:
An old video of a pilot talking about the risks of flying these planes, actually find it amazing one of these can be chartered for a flight of that distance over water.
http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=c1...av/magazine-34492176/my-life-as-a-ferry-pilot

It says 'video not available in your location', which is UK.

saafend_seagull · Jan 26, 2019

Nottseagull said:
It says 'video not available in your location', which is UK.

Not watched it but my boss has his own single plane. Flys to Sussex from where we are fairly regularly (Luxembourg) and said it’s absolutely normal to fly over water in such plane. He’s done it at night too but obviously the danger risk increases with no less visibility. He flew last year all the way to Russia with his one from Luxembourg for example (with several stops via Scandinavia). His view is flying over mountains is more dangerous.

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Fignon's Ponytail · Jan 30, 2019

Wreckage believed to be from Salas plane has washed up on a beach on the Cotentin Peninsula in Normandy. A ship with sonar equipment is now being sent out to scan the sea bed as the authorities believe they now know the area he went down in. Lets hope they find the wreckage and his family can get some closure from this incredibly sad incident.

Super Steve Earle · Jan 30, 2019

saafend_seagull said:
Not watched it but my boss has his own single plane. Flys to Sussex from where we are fairly regularly (Luxembourg) and said it’s absolutely normal to fly over water in such plane. He’s done it at night too but obviously the danger risk increases with no less visibility. He flew last year all the way to Russia with his one from Luxembourg for example (with several stops via Scandinavia). His view is flying over mountains is more dangerous.

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I think it's normal if you fly yourself - you can take whatever risks you like. Less so when risking the lives of others.

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 30, 2019

Juan Albion said:
I gather the plane was registered in the US, meaning it could not take passengers for profit. Hmmm.

There’s a much used loop hole with this though. If the pilot does not have a commercial license but is only to be paid “reasonable expenses” they can take passengers for money. It was said in the press the agent Willie McKay arranged this flight and often uses flights like this. I’d be interested to know how much the ”reasonable expenses” for this doomed flight were.

Official Old Man · Jan 30, 2019

Fignon's Ponytail said:
Wreckage believed to be from Salas plane has washed up on a beach on the Cotentin Peninsula in Normandy. A ship with sonar equipment is now being sent out to scan the sea bed as the authorities believe they now know the area he went down in. Lets hope they find the wreckage and his family can get some closure from this incredibly sad incident.

This. Minutes silence at Fulham immaculately respected.

Bozza · Jan 30, 2019

saafend_seagull said:
Not watched it but my boss has his own single plane. Flys to Sussex from where we are fairly regularly (Luxembourg) and said it’s absolutely normal to fly over water in such plane. He’s done it at night too but obviously the danger risk increases with no less visibility. He flew last year all the way to Russia with his one from Luxembourg for example (with several stops via Scandinavia). His view is flying over mountains is more dangerous.

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Louis Cole few around the world (well, a mate flew him around the world) in a small single engine prop type plane, which included a stop at Shoreham. It's a decent series worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKdBO8TXUFBgtlP5bbVDs-8YMX5TWREr1

This is the episode which includes a stop off in, and various fly overs of Sussex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t_n92Nuk4E

saafend_seagull · Jan 30, 2019

Super Steve Earle said:
I think it's normal if you fly yourself - you can take whatever risks you like. Less so when risking the lives of others.

His wife (and sometimes daughters) are on board.

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clapham_gull · Jan 30, 2019

Herr Tubthumper said:
There’s a much used loop hole with this though. If the pilot does not have a commercial license but is only to be paid “reasonable expenses” they can take passengers for money. It was said in the press the agent Willie McKay arranged this flight and often uses flights like this. I’d be interested to know how much the ”reasonable expenses” for this doomed flight were.

The Times have had to apologise to him regarding his involvement.

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Super Steve Earle · Jan 30, 2019

saafend_seagull said:
Not watched it but my boss has his own single plane. Flys to Sussex from where we are fairly regularly (Luxembourg) and said it’s absolutely normal to fly over water in such plane. He’s done it at night too but obviously the danger risk increases with no less visibility. He flew last year all the way to Russia with his one from Luxembourg for example (with several stops via Scandinavia). His view is flying over mountains is more dangerous.

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Super Steve Earle said:
I think it's normal if you fly yourself - you can take whatever risks you like. Less so when risking the lives of others.

saafend_seagull said:
His wife (and sometimes daughters) are on board.

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Probably wouldn't be my option, but I don't have the lifestyle to make those choices anyway. I imagine if I had a plane I'd take the wife and kids too, every now and again. But that Pilots website someone else posted had an awful lot pilots who opined that Sala's pilot took a risk.

Thunder Bolt · Jan 30, 2019

Fignon's Ponytail said:
Wreckage believed to be from Salas plane has washed up on a beach on the Cotentin Peninsula in Normandy. A ship with sonar equipment is now being sent out to scan the sea bed as the authorities believe they now know the area he went down in. Lets hope they find the wreckage and his family can get some closure from this incredibly sad incident.

I've met David Mearns who owns the ship scanning the sea bed. He's a brilliant man.

Official Old Man · Feb 2, 2019

Cardiff v Bournemouth. First home game for Cardiff and yet no black arm bands. Is this because he may still be alive or it's been a while now and the club have paid their tributes?

marlowe · Feb 2, 2019

I remember the good times said:
Cardiff v Bournemouth. First home game for Cardiff and yet no black arm bands. Is this because he may still be alive or it's been a while now and the club have paid their tributes?

Regardless of the probability it's not really the club's place to confirm his death by the wearing of a black armband.

HAILSHAM SEAGULL · Feb 2, 2019

Sad as his disappearance is, I find the outporing of grief and the flags/banners showing Sals as a Bluebird, absolutely cringeworthy.
He never played for the club, okay they were going to spend a lot of money on him, but for all the Cardiff fans knew, he could of been worse than Locadia

indy3050 · Feb 2, 2019

HAILSHAM SEAGULL said:
Sad as his disappearance is, I find the outporing of grief and the flags/banners showing Sals as a Bluebird, absolutely cringeworthy.
He never played for the club, okay they were going to spend a lot of money on him, but for all the Cardiff fans knew, he could of been worse than Locadia

Have a word with yourself you cock

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