[Politics] Brexit

Pavilionaire · Mar 12, 2019

GT49er said:
Keep panicking! Luckily for you, though, if not for the majority (although not a minority in this little NSC world, granted) because the shysters in Parliament seem to have avoided - for the time being at least - doing what they are required to do through the result of a democratic referendum they voted for (in the fatuous belief they'd walk it - which just shows you how in touch they aren't) so perhaps your world isn't going to end just yet.

And for pete's sake stop this f*ck*ng remainer idiocy of screaming out, "You, as a voter, have to give me details of exactly what the future will be if we leave, and take responsibility for the future". Did you ask people who voted in Thatcher/Blair to give detailed reports on what would be done, how it would work (maybe with costings too?) It's pathetic. Many - many, many, many - people (millions in fact) disagree with you. Get over it!

Oh, and by the way, just in case the country does leave with No Deal in 17 days time, this country would not die on its arse.
It is far better, and too strong, for that. Shame some people don't realise that - we are living in a wonderful, resilient country.

I really don't give a f*ck about the politics of this any more. Just tell me in plain English how Brexit is going to work so that your side might just start winning people over for a reason other than the pathetic "I'm so bored with Brexit let's leave before I lose the will to live".

Don't tell me about resilience, or wave your flag, just tell me how people will manage to keep their jobs, homes, how enough tax is going to be raised as is needed to run the country, where the people will come from to do the jobs in hospitals, care homes, vegetable fields and building sites, how the Northern Ireland and Calais borders are going to work, how the M20 is going to work - that kind of thing.

GT49er · Mar 12, 2019

JC Footy Genius said:
Apparently so ...

The BBC's Europe Editor Katya Adler says that the view in Brussels is that a no-deal Brexit is now even more likely.

It is a "hardening mood," she says.

She adds that the EU does not want the UK to leave without a deal, but it is not prepared to give further concessions.

"With only 17 days left to 29 March, today's vote has significantly increased the likelihood of a 'no-deal' Brexit. We will continue our no-deal preparations and ensure that we will be ready if such a scenario arises. - Donald Tusk

Oh, bring it on! Let's have an end to all this pernicious uncertainty inflicted upon us by the outraged so-called political elite in the Westminster bubble and get on with forging a new future for the UK in the 21st, century.

Brexit (deal or no deal) isn't the threat, or the problem. It's the continuous uncertainty of MPs trying to welsh on the referendum that's causing the uncertainty.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 12, 2019

LadySeagull said:
Voted LEAVE the first time, would vote LEAVE the 2nd time.

Literally nothing has happened in the last couple of years that has made me even think about changing my vote - in fact the antics of the EU have reinforced my view.

You would seriously support a no deal Brexit?

darkwolf666 · Mar 12, 2019

Icy Gull said:
If it had been up to me I wouldn’t have let the public vote on it at all. How many people actually had any comprehension of what they were actually voting for? I didn’t.

You could say exactly the same for a general election, the public don’t really know what they are voting for there either!

Diablo · Mar 12, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You would seriously support a no deal Brexit?

I would !!

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 12, 2019

Pavilionaire said:
I really don't give a f*ck about the politics of this any more. Just tell me in plain English how Brexit is going to work so that your side might just start winning people over for a reason other than the pathetic "I'm so bored with Brexit let's leave before I lose the will to live".

Don't tell me about resilience, or wave your flag, just tell me how people will manage to keep their jobs, homes, how enough tax is going to be raised as is needed to run the country, where the people will come from to do the jobs in hospitals, care homes, vegetable fields and building sites, how the Northern Ireland and Calais borders are going to work, how the M20 is going to work - that kind of thing.

This.

Is it PotG? · Mar 12, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You would seriously support a no deal Brexit?

I'm happy to be bullied into going against a democratic referendum by Eurocrats and self serving MPs out to sabotage a people vote?

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 12, 2019

Diablo said:
I would !!

Fancy a game of Russian roulette?

You go first.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 12, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
I'm happy to be bullied into going against a democratic referendum by Eurocrats and self serving MPs out to sabotage a people vote.

So you wouldn't support a no deal Brexit, then? Or are you singing descant?

Green Cross Code Man · Mar 12, 2019

Triggaaar said:
Yes, I voted leave, but I'd vote remain. I still want to leave, I don't like the EU, but I have underestimated our government's ability to **** it up.

I also voted leave but what you say makes sense. However, it should come as no surprise that a House of Commons which is dominated by politicians who want to remain, has done all it can to make the process so awkward and difficult, that people will either give up or become tired of it so that staying seems to offer a welcome relief.

That's seriously messed up.

However, although I firmly disagree with Umunna's stance on Brexit, I heartily agree when he stated that people just want Parliament to make a choice.

I am sick to death if it and wish none of it had ever happened. It is hard to see how any of this can end well.

vegster · Mar 12, 2019

BrickTamland said:
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge but when is the next vote and what will it be on? Whether we will leave with a no deal?

A vote on whether we should leave with No Deal, which will hopefully be rejected.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 12, 2019

darkwolf666 said:
You could say exactly the same for a general election, the public don’t really know what they are voting for there either!

But if the ****ers have been lying, you get another vote in a few years and you can change everything.

Is it PotG? · Mar 12, 2019

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
But if the ****ers have been lying, you get another vote in a few years and you can change everything.

So you are saying we are stuck with Europe forever, since whatever the result of future votes the hassle involved will make folks just give up?

Triggaaar · Mar 12, 2019

Green Cross Code Man said:
I also voted leave but what you say makes sense. However, it should come as no surprise that a House of Commons which is dominated by politicians who want to remain, has done all it can to make the process so awkward and difficult, that people will either give up or become tired of it so that staying seems to offer a welcome relief.

Indeed it is no surprise, and yes, it's messed up.

However, although I firmly disagree with Umunna's stance on Brexit, I heartily agree when he stated that people just want Parliament to make a choice.

Partly I'm thinking they can't (May keeps asking them the same ****ing thing!), but it is also the responsibility of all MPs to at least try and come up with an alternative.

Simster · Mar 12, 2019

Pavilionaire said:
I really don't give a f*ck about the politics of this any more. Just tell me in plain English how Brexit is going to work so that your side might just start winning people over for a reason other than the pathetic "I'm so bored with Brexit let's leave before I lose the will to live".

Don't tell me about resilience, or wave your flag, just tell me how people will manage to keep their jobs, homes, how enough tax is going to be raised as is needed to run the country, where the people will come from to do the jobs in hospitals, care homes, vegetable fields and building sites, how the Northern Ireland and Calais borders are going to work, how the M20 is going to work - that kind of thing.

He won't, but he can do a "you lost, millions of people disagree with you, get over it" with the best of them. That sort of head-in-the-sand lunacy is what you should expect in lieu of coherent argument. And in fairness, we all know that the Brexit people haven't got a solution to the Irish border, never mind this nonsensical need to make ourselves less competitive.

Blue Valkyrie · Mar 12, 2019

BrickTamland said:
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge but when is the next vote and what will it be on? Whether we will leave with a no deal?

It's about whether Parliament *wants* to leave with *no deal* or not.

They can reject it and say that they really, really don't want *no deal*, but that doesn't actually stop it.

Thunder Bolt · Mar 12, 2019

Is it PotG? said:
Voted leave. The way this has been handled by the Eurocrats has deepened my view further.

It's really funny but 26 other countries can agree, but the UK cannot get agreement amongst themselves and yet Europe gets the blame.

It really is laughable.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 12, 2019

Green Cross Code Man said:
I also voted leave but what you say makes sense. However, it should come as no surprise that a House of Commons which is dominated by politicians who want to remain, has done all it can to make the process so awkward and difficult, that people will either give up or become tired of it so that staying seems to offer a welcome relief.

That's seriously messed up.

However, although I firmly disagree with Umunna's stance on Brexit, I heartily agree when he stated that people just want Parliament to make a choice.

I am sick to death if it and wish none of it had ever happened. It is hard to see how any of this can end well.

That's the trouble. The idea of an in out referendum with a majority to decide is so wrong....how can parliament act on that - nobody knows what 'leave' means! Hard Brexit is as valid as soft in this context, and as there is no party policy all mps are faffing. They have NO INSTRUCTION FROM THE PEOPLE. You can't achieve a Brexit when people don't agree what it is.

So we have to remain. Anything else would be absurd.

Notters · Mar 12, 2019

whitelion said:
I was a very marginal remainer and could quite easily have voted leave.

Since the referendum I've definitely swung behind the leave option. So I guess you could say I've changed my mind...albeit marginally.

I'm curious to know why, given that our government couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Mayonaise · Mar 12, 2019

I wouldn't bother voting. The whole debacle has been lies and counter lies by both sides.

Politicians on all sides are not worth my spit TBH and I am sick of the whole thing.

Never have we been so divided as a nation - The pig f*cker should be rotting in the tower of London

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