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[Politics] Brexit
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Baker lite
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As maybe, but look at the facts.
If Salvini vetos the extension to Article 50 it Leaves the nuclear option of reneging Article 50, I’m not sure that’s very wise of Parliament, with 11 days to go it’s all very exciting don’t you think?
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pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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As maybe, but look at the facts.
If Salvini vetos the extension to Article 50 it Leaves the nuclear option of reneging Article 50, I’m not sure that’s very wise of Parliament, with 11 days to go it’s all very exciting don’t you think?
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And yet the exact same number voted for no deal as remain.
I bet you had to look this up when Rees-Mogg said it.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Yeah, nice one.
Because statistically the pensioners and unemployed were DEFINITELY all Remain voters
Nice one
.I knew I had missed someone from the list of useless unemployables-statisticians.Pensioners and unemployed?How about Cable and Corbin?
Ok, so we'd trigger it after the next election.
What is the rule that stops the same government triggering it twice? Seems like a weird rule for us to impose on ourselves.
Just wait until the natives find out.
Baker lite
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You still awake?
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Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
It's not a rule against triggering it twice.
It's a ruling that revocation must be in genuine good faith and serious.
It doesn't count if there is revocation and then re-triggering. This could be done, but the revocation would be cancelled, and the clock would restart at the same point as it stopped - ie not with a new full 2 year negotiation.
Right - so, we're about to crash out with no deal, which is not acceptable to anyone, so we need to revoke it while we decide what the hell we're going to do. The government could then spend months working on a completely new deal (eg, common market, Norway+ etc), then trigger Article 50 again.
If we came up with a new deal, it would be pretty daft if the EU forced us out with no deal, rather than agree to spend time discussing our new proposal.
- Jul 10, 2003
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As maybe, but look at the facts.
If Salvini vetos the extension to Article 50 it Leaves the nuclear option of reneging Article 50, I’m not sure that’s very wise of Parliament, with 11 days to go it’s all very exciting don’t you think?
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I'm not surprised you're excited. 11 more days and you might, 3 years later, find out what you voted for
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Hang on, even when the clock restarts at the same time on re-triggering, I never said that at that point an extension ( granted by the EU ) isn't possible - of course it is, but not a 100% certainty.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
By the way, here's a legal view of where we are now.
It's just an opinion of course, not a legal ruling.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1107687605796331521?s=19
It's just an opinion of course, not a legal ruling.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1107687605796331521?s=19
Yes ok. So we could revoke it, then debate the way forward, then either trigger it again (and rely on the EU to grant an extension, as we will have done something meaningful (completely new deal), or we'd have to trigger it again after the next election.
With 11 days until the deadline, it's an option.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Absolutely. Could happen, perhaps.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Worth pointing out that arch leavers like (and not a bad bloke) Bill Cash are 100% behind the speaker.
This was a nod to Brexiteers.
This was a nod to Brexiteers.
drew
Drew
Are you sure? Not quite sure why you're referring to an extension if we revoke A50 as it would mean there is no time limit as at that point we would no longer be in the process of leaving. I don't think we are able to revoke A50 if it is merely a delaying tactic. If that is the case, maybe the EU will insist that to demonstrate good faith in that it isn't a delaying tactic that we should then hold a further referendum!!
You've misread. After revoking, we could later trigger A50 again. But Blue Valkyrie says that if we do that (before the next election) it won't be another 2 years, it will just be the few days that we currently have left, so we'd need to ask for an extension.
We don't need to satisfy special criteria to revoke it, the government can do that (it's not clear whether it needs an act of parliament, but it's the UK's choice). We can make up whatever excuse we like, but 'to avoid crashing out without a deal' seems like a reasonable one.
It's up to us if we revoke or not, they don't get a say.