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[Politics] Brexit
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Disgraceful.
Treason.
NI is part of the UK.
If Boris tries that, he is finished.
Any tory supporting that is a traitor.
Conservative and Unionist party.
I personally don't give a shit, but the tories should. It is like Christians saying '**** Jesus, and hello Mohammed, you lovely fella'.
On Outside Source tonight they said that something like 55-60% of people thought that a 'No Deal Brexit' would bring and end to the matter entirely. Completely missing that such an outcome would then lead to years and years of negotiating a myriad of future trade deals.... So, whilst in favour of another referendum, I'm now wondering what people would actually vote for, and why.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have managed to lose the support of descendants of Winston Churchill and the Duke of Wellington.
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clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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That is coming from somewhere - it was rumoured even before he won the leadership contest.
The Plan was:
1) Go back to EU and agree original plan (NI stays in EU)
2) Have a referendum in NI to give him a mandate.
3) Lose majority (ERG / DUP gone) put solution to parliament.
4) Call election.
However, it looks like the plan was changed and they went for freak EU and parliament out with no deal threat.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Lovely piece of music. I shall be watching next Saturday evening.
Good point. Yes, people may well say 'enough is enough, end it now' not realising (as you say).
I hate referendums. And I am not keen on universal suffarage. The wrong sort get suffered.
- Apr 5, 2014
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The EU have had enough. Their position, is, was, and will continue to be intransigent except for cosmetics.
The UK will not be allowed to make a success of BREXIT where the EU is concerned. I've said that since the start and nothing has altered my thinking.
theonlymikey
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- Apr 21, 2016
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Disgraceful.
Treason.
NI is part of the UK.
If Boris tries that, he is finished.
Any tory supporting that is a traitor.
Conservative and Unionist party.
I personally don't give a shit, but the tories should. It is like Christians saying '**** Jesus, and hello Mohammed, you lovely fella'.
I read somewhere over the weekend that it was US who asked for the backstop to be included in the first place, so the Tories are dismissing as undemocratic and anti-democratic something that they themselves instigated.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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Which completely gets missed in the debate. It was invented by the Tories.
Brexiteers can blame the opposition and the EU all it likes. It was the Tories who got us here.
May called an election and blew her majority away to an extent she could never got her deal through because of her reliance on DUP support.
It's an opposition's job to oppose (like the system or not that's how it works) and she further made the mistake of not having cross party talks when hugely weakened.
If May hadn't called that election, we'd be out by now with backstop applying to NI only.
It's incredible watching the Tories now blaming everyone else but themselves, especially after chucking out 21 of their own MPs. many of which against their better judgement continually showed loyalty to May.
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clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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That's not to say Labour have been particularly brilliant either. It can't help having a conflicted Brexiteer as leader.
He hates the EU (as a concept) but agrees with it's policies.
He hates the EU (as a concept) but agrees with it's policies.
Grombleton
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- Dec 31, 2011
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I bet Ppf has it recorded so he can **** himself off daily to it. It's his version of Pornhub.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Most of the rebels want a deal. Boles, a previous rebel, wants a deal. Supposedly there is a bit of labour regret about voting down the deal. There may be some non-spartan ERG about who would back it, perhaps. The MPs who reject everything in favour of a new referendum are as bad as the spartans, by the way.
If Johnson delivers this he'd be a bit of a hero.
However, I suspect this is another ruse and he is still actively charging towards *no deal* for stupid reasons unknown.
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You’re wrong it’s there to hold the government to account. Massive difference to opposing it. There’s lots of things that go on in committees where there’s agreement the opposition though are the checks and balances
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
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Moening ,Get ready for Brexit
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DF
Regards
DF
Despite some ridicule from some on here, I've always supported a united Ireland. It's strange that NI doesn't want to be treated differently but then defends it's laws and processes that are different from mainland UK. For example, they have stone age laws around abortion and gay rights. They still pay rates which include their water rather than move to council tax. So they're happy to be different when it suits them. Besides, they voted remain so surely effectively staying in the EU would honour their wish ? On top of that, I recently watched a Stacey Dooley report about NI. I was utterly gob- smacked at the racist and bigoted actions and views on the Unionists. The Republications came across as fairly level headed and open to compromise. To be frank I think the UK would be better off without the Unionists.
Scotland will go their own way if we leave the EU regardless of how we leave. I suspect they'll still eventually go their own way even if we don't leave.
nicko31
Well-known member
If the UK breaks up Brexit voters are completely responsible. Don't try and kid yourself it would have happened anyway.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Nonsense. Just like the end of the EU, the demise and split of the UK has been coming for a while.