Is YOUR livelihood threatened by Coronavirus (almost certainly a depressing thread)

SK1NT · Apr 2, 2020

I need advice from the good people of NSC...

I got a job for my friend at my company. He handed in his notice with his employer on the 3rd March to start at my company on the 6th of April. Unfortunately my company had to rescind the offer in this current climate however his current company won't reject his resignation and keep him on. So as things stand tomorrow is his last day and then he will be unemployed...

I have been reading the government site and it seems to state that if you were on the payroll with this company on the 28th Feb you will be covered for furlough even if you handed your notice in, but i also see that it says "this only applies if you and your employer agree"... This company of his are real gits and even though it won't cost them anything to furlough him they won't. Does my friend have a case?

Thanks

Springal · Apr 2, 2020

SK1NT said:
I have been reading the government site and it seems to state that if you were on the payroll with this company on the 28th Feb you will be covered for furlough even if you handed your notice in, but i also see that it says "this only applies if you and your employer agree"... This company of his are real gits and even though it won't cost them anything to furlough him they won't. Does my friend have a case?

Thanks

Unfortunately his old employer needs to agree to this - in essence they need to pay him out of their pocket for a couple of months and then likely get the furlough payments back June onwards. Also additional overhead / admin for them so really is down to them. No way he can convince them?

LlcoolJ · Apr 2, 2020

SK1NT said:
I need advice from the good people of NSC...

I got a job for my friend at my company. He handed in his notice with his employer on the 3rd March to start at my company on the 6th of April. Unfortunately my company had to rescind the offer in this current climate however his current company won't reject his resignation and keep him on. So as things stand tomorrow is his last day and then he will be unemployed...

I have been reading the government site and it seems to state that if you were on the payroll with this company on the 28th Feb you will be covered for furlough even if you handed your notice in, but i also see that it says "this only applies if you and your employer agree"... This company of his are real gits and even though it won't cost them anything to furlough him they won't. Does my friend have a case?

Thanks

On the face of it, no unfortunately. But as I keep saying, every case is different and it might depend on any contract signed. I expect that he is screwed though as it will be at their discretion.

SK1NT · Apr 2, 2020

Springal said:
Unfortunately his old employer needs to agree to this - in essence they need to pay him out of their pocket for a couple of months and then likely get the furlough payments back June onwards. Also additional overhead / admin for them so really is down to them. No way he can convince them?

LlcoolJ said:
On the face of it, no unfortunately. But as I keep saying, every case is different and it might depend on any contract signed. I expect that he is screwed though as it will be at their discretion.

Thanks for the replies guys. I feared that this maybe the case. Unfortunately i do not think he will be able to convince them. They really were pissed off he handed his notice in plus this is an awful, awful company. Sounds like he's screwed then

Springal · Apr 2, 2020

SK1NT said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I feared that this maybe the case. Unfortunately i do not think he will be able to convince them. They really were pissed off he handed his notice in plus this is an awful, awful company. Sounds like he's screwed then

If they really won't budge - get him to stick a fair and polite negative review on the company on Glassdoor :wink:

sparkie · Apr 2, 2020

SK1NT said:
I need advice from the good people of NSC...

I got a job for my friend at my company. He handed in his notice with his employer on the 3rd March to start at my company on the 6th of April. Unfortunately my company had to rescind the offer in this current climate however his current company won't reject his resignation and keep him on. So as things stand tomorrow is his last day and then he will be unemployed...

I have been reading the government site and it seems to state that if you were on the payroll with this company on the 28th Feb you will be covered for furlough even if you handed your notice in, but i also see that it says "this only applies if you and your employer agree"... This company of his are real gits and even though it won't cost them anything to furlough him they won't. Does my friend have a case?

Thanks

Sadly, no.

If the previous employers don't have the goodwill to help, then the only option is to apply for universal credit.

SK1NT · Apr 2, 2020

Springal said:
If they really won't budge - get him to stick a fair and polite negative review on the company on Glassdoor

Very good point. This company was getting a lot of negative glassdoor reviews that HR was making them up.

Billy Seagull · May 30, 2020

Billy Seagull said:
Professional gambler who relies on horse racing for a living which mainly means getting cash down in shops. I'm surprised, and pleased, that racing is still going ahead but am slightly wary of travelling to London to get the cash on at the moment. Racing maybe able to go ahead for a while behind closed doors which will help but at some stage the betting shops will be shut down I guess which will mean relying on Betfair as have no access to other accounts and any I can use just get shut within months.

We have no mortgage and the Mrs has a couple of small pensions, also the last year has been the best I've ever had so we can carry on living for at least a few years without any further earnings. Cheltenham last week was a bonanza which will cover at least five months bills, handily.

Bit of a worry but can't do anything about so wont be worrying too much about it. More concerned about the parents catching the virus than worrying about money at the moment.

Horse racing back on Monday, thank Christ for that

Hopefully the betting shops will be open from the 15th in time for Royal Ascot, which will be much improved this year as there will be no fashion shite getting in the way of the racing. :lolol:

Hope others can all start working soon enough, or have already.

Swansman · Jun 11, 2020

Argghhhhhhh.... gotta ventilate some frustration.

With Sweden being the odd bird in the cage a lot of countries ban travellers from Sweden, so all the travel companies are even more ****ed here than in most countries.

These used to be my core income. They loved my writing and I did indeed like writing about different locations and attractions and whatnot.

I got my last student loan on May 25th and there's not one single company that need my services. My income is £0. I cant even seek social benefits, because I'm renting my apartment black and here you need to "officially" live where you seek social benefits, so thats out of the question unless I move home to my mother which is no alternative.

My economy has always been so-so and heavily fluctuating but I've never been in this type of crisis before. I eat one pack of noodles every day and by night I go out to collect nice cigarette butts to smoke.

I'm literally starving and have zero energy. The job market is dead. I havent showered for a week and I've lost the key to the tvättstuga (the apartment block laundry room). I'm dirty, poor and hungry.

**** this virus and **** me for not building a more stable income/life.

vegster · Jun 11, 2020

Billy Seagull said:
Horse racing back on Monday, thank Christ for that Hopefully the betting shops will be open from the 15th in time for Royal Ascot, which will be much improved this year as there will be no fashion shite getting in the way of the racing.

Hope others can all start working soon enough, or have already.

The bookies have been desperate to get something to bet on back in the news. I fully expect many desperate people trying to gamble their way out of debt, only inevitably frittering away what little they have. To be honest, Horse Racing only exists because it exists.

Weststander · Jun 11, 2020

vegster said:
The bookies have been desperate to get something to bet on back in the news. I fully expect many desperate people trying to gamble their way out of debt, only inevitably frittering away what little they have. To be honest, Horse Racing only exists because it exists.

Like many addictions, addicts uncontrollably will want to catch up and blow any savings they’ve made from literally having nothIng to bet on, on increased betting until they’ve blown the lot.

vegster · Jun 11, 2020

Weststander said:
Like many addictions, addicts uncontrollably will want to catch up and blow any savings they’ve made from literally having nothIng to bet on, on increased betting until they’ve blown the lot.

Sadly yes. There was someone in the racing industry going on about getting the " Sport " starting again and returning to normal as quick as possible, it struck me that who actually NEEDS there to be horse racing ? It's not really a sport, it's a business, it exists solely to make money by exploiting horses and people. You can have a knock around game of Cricket or footy with your mates, you can't play this with your mates. Would anyone feel real loss if Brighton racecourse never staged another race at all ?

CheeseRolls · Jun 11, 2020

vegster said:
Sadly yes. There was someone in the racing industry going on about getting the " Sport " starting again and returning to normal as quick as possible, it struck me that who actually NEEDS there to be horse racing ? It's not really a sport, it's a business, it exists solely to make money by exploiting horses and people. You can have a knock around game of Cricket or footy with your mates, you can't play this with your mates. Would anyone feel real loss if Brighton racecourse never staged another race at all ?

I have never been a big horse racing fan, am not very knowledgeable on the subject and have no more than a passing interest most of the time. I have been to Brighton, Goodwood, Fontwell, Plumpton, Cheltenham, Kempton, Sandown, Epsom, Ascot, Lingfield and York. Why? a day/evening at the races is a really good sporting social. Unless you are part of the fighting fraternity, which has started to blight racecourses, a bunch of people can all go along, eat drink, socialise and take as much or little interest as they like in the racing and no one seems to mind or care. I do understand where you are coming from and I won't be in the bookies with my pen poised, but the view from the top of the stand at Goodwood or Cheltenham, the walk back into York or to the station at Ascot all bring back happy memories. Like a good footballing away day, it isn't always about the sport.

dazzer6666 · Jun 11, 2020

CheeseRolls said:
I have never been a big horse racing fan, am not very knowledgeable on the subject and have no more than a passing interest most of the time. I have been to Brighton, Goodwood, Fontwell, Plumpton, Cheltenham, Kempton, Sandown, Epsom, Ascot, Lingfield and York. Why? a day/evening at the races is a really good sporting social. Unless you are part of the fighting fraternity, which has started to blight racecourses, a bunch of people can all go along, eat drink, socialise and take as much or little interest as they like in the racing and no one seems to mind or care. I do understand where you are coming from and I won't be in the bookies with my pen poised, but the view from the top of the stand at Goodwood or Cheltenham, the walk back into York or to the station at Ascot all bring back happy memories. Like a good footballing away day, it isn't always about the sport.

Very much this.....have had quite a few social days out at the races, including work things and with pals, all were great fun and I don’t have any interest in, or knowledge of horses or racing at all. Any betting I did were purely speculative punts on horses that had names I took to or similar.

CheeseRolls · Jun 11, 2020

dazzer6666 said:
Very much this.....have had quite a few social days out at the races, including work things and with pals, all were great fun and I don’t have any interest in, or knowledge of horses or racing at all. Any betting I did were purely speculative punts on horses that had names I took to or similar.

I take [MENTION=11928]vegster[/MENTION]s point though. Horses running around in front of empty stands, getting it back is just for the bookies at this point and in the big scheme of things not a top priority. If it keeps a few gainfully employed good luck to them.

Billy Seagull · Jun 11, 2020

vegster said:
Sadly yes. There was someone in the racing industry going on about getting the " Sport " starting again and returning to normal as quick as possible, it struck me that who actually NEEDS there to be horse racing ? It's not really a sport, it's a business, it exists solely to make money by exploiting horses and people. You can have a knock around game of Cricket or footy with your mates, you can't play this with your mates. Would anyone feel real loss if Brighton racecourse never staged another race at all ?

Racing is a huge industry employing tens of thousands of people and I reckon everyone of those needs horse racing. You could say the same about any sport. For example who really needs football, cricket, rugby that are all businesses nowadays?

Point to points are the amateur version of jumps racing where people do play against their mates, Sunday league if you like, and a place where young jokeys and up and coming trainers can learn their trade.

Racing is a great day out, especially midweek at the smaller tracks like Plumpton, Fontwell and Brighton with smaller knowledgable crowds.

vegster · Jun 11, 2020

Billy Seagull said:
Racing is a huge industry employing tens of thousands of people and I reckon everyone of those needs horse racing. You could say the same about any sport. For example who really needs football, cricket, rugby that are all businesses nowadays?

Point to points are the amateur version of jumps racing where people do play against their mates, Sunday league if you like, and a place where young jokeys and up and coming trainers can learn their trade.

Racing is a great day out, especially midweek at the smaller tracks like Plumpton, Fontwell and Brighton with smaller knowledgable crowds.

Sorry, it's an anachronistic business that exists because it exists, if it was banned no one would miss it after a year or so.

BLOCK F · Jun 11, 2020

vegster said:
Sorry, it's an anachronistic business that exists because it exists, if it was banned no one would miss it after a year or so.

Wrong. Plenty of people would miss it.

Billy Seagull · Jun 11, 2020

vegster said:
Sorry, it's an anachronistic business that exists because it exists, if it was banned no one would miss it after a year or so.

I’d certainly miss it as would those working in the industry and those who supply the industry along with the many millions who watch racing on the TV every weekend.

Perhaps we should just bin off all sport

CheeseRolls · Jun 11, 2020

vegster said:
Sorry, it's an anachronistic business that exists because it exists, if it was banned no one would miss it after a year or so.

I feel the same about Formula One. I wouldn't miss it, plenty that would including those that make a livelyhood from it.

The post-Covid economy has the potential to dwarf the have and have nots chasm of the Thatcher era. Very many people have been able to carry on earning, whilst saving a large amount of money and then there are the poor sods who are totally shut out. Anything that keeps people with a few quid in their pockets (legally obtained) will be welcome.

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