[Politics] Brexit

W3 BHA said:

What a load of bolleaux. I didn't vote leave because of the politicians - I voted leave because the EU is so corrupt they have never submitted a set of properly audited accounts, because of the CAP which was biased against our own farmers, because of the the wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains, and so on, because of being 'represented' in Europe by non elected people, because of the expense scandals and so on a so on. How arrogant to say that MP's supporting Leave are following their own agenda when those in favour of Remain are also following their own agenda. The referendum result was in favour of Leave - they should stop following their own agendas and follow the result.

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GT49er said:

Absolutely. This is one of the weaknesses of the remain campaign, and the remainers' argument. Although they are, by their own definition, more intelligent than those who voted leave, they cannot get their heads around the fact that people voted leave simply because they didn't want to remain (or be in in the first place) the EU. They didn't vote leave because of any crap (or lies) the leave campaign might have thrown at them, nor were they influenced by any crap (or lies - or just plain ineptitude) the remain campaign churned out.

To put it in simple terms, that even the more intelligent can understand, 17 million people didn't vote to leave because of the leave campaign. The result may have caused consternation, dismay and even panic amongst the Westminster 'elite', but now they have a duty to do, however much they might hate it.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

Leaked document showing real cost of no deal Brexit (in short: chaos) reminds me of Gove's original claim that 'we hold all the cards'. I now realise he was being very proactive: he meant ration cards!


This week Chief Idiot Johnson goes to play hardball with France and Germany with about as much chance of getting a result as Chamberlain did with the latter in 1938. He goes with minimum leverage and maximum hubris.


Expect our resident Brexit cheerleaders to talk about 'getting tough' at a time when the only honest and realistic negotiating strategy is to walk in and admit it has all been a ghastly mistake, while prudent Brits attend their allotments in order to 'dig for defeat'.

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W3 BHA said:

What a load of bolleaux. I didn't vote leave because of the politicians - I voted leave because the EU is so corrupt they have never submitted a set of properly audited accounts, because of the CAP which was biased against our own farmers, because of the the wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains, and so on, because of being 'represented' in Europe by non elected people, because of the expense scandals and so on a so on. How arrogant to say that MP's supporting Leave are following their own agenda when those in favour of Remain are also following their own agenda. The referendum result was in favour of Leave - they should stop following their own agendas and follow the result.

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W3 BHA said:

What a load of bolleaux. I didn't vote leave because of the politicians - I voted leave because the EU is so corrupt they have never submitted a set of properly audited accounts, because of the CAP which was biased against our own farmers, because of the the wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains, and so on, because of being 'represented' in Europe by non elected people, because of the expense scandals and so on a so on. How arrogant to say that MP's supporting Leave are following their own agenda when those in favour of Remain are also following their own agenda. The referendum result was in favour of Leave - they should stop following their own agendas and follow the result.

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W3 BHA said:

What a load of bolleaux. I didn't vote leave because of the politicians - I voted leave because the EU is so corrupt they have never submitted a set of properly audited accounts, because of the CAP which was biased against our own farmers, because of the the wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains, and so on, because of being 'represented' in Europe by non elected people, because of the expense scandals and so on a so on. How arrogant to say that MP's supporting Leave are following their own agenda when those in favour of Remain are also following their own agenda. The referendum result was in favour of Leave - they should stop following their own agendas and follow the result.

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GT49er said:

Absolutely. This is one of the weaknesses of the remain campaign, and the remainers' argument. Although they are, by their own definition, more intelligent than those who voted leave, they cannot get their heads around the fact that people voted leave simply because they didn't want to remain (or be in in the first place) the EU. They didn't vote leave because of any crap (or lies) the leave campaign might have thrown at them, nor were they influenced by any crap (or lies - or just plain ineptitude) the remain campaign churned out.

To put it in simple terms, that even the more intelligent can understand, 17 million people didn't vote to leave because of the leave campaign. The result may have caused consternation, dismay and even panic amongst the Westminster 'elite', but now they have a duty to do, however much they might hate it.

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Wardy's twin said:

bolleaux.? haven't heard that in probably 40 years . You are the first leaver who has actually put down some reasons why we should leave so thank you. How big are these wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains now as this has been mentioned in any recent debate.

Regards being 'ruled' by an unelected group of people remind me when I voted for the Queen or any member of the House of Lords. You mention expenses scandals , seem to remember we had one of those ourselves.

Do you honestly believe Rees-Mogg is not in it for his own good ?

The EU is not perfect by a long stretch but it puts us as part of a bigger unit which has some small chance to stand up to the US, China & Russia economically and politically. One reason why we have problems with the EU is people voted jack asses like Farage in who has done nothing to improve it but was quite happy to take the money.

Going back to the farmers , lots of them are seriously worried about leaving but I guess that is just scaremongering.

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theonlymikey said:

Somebody remind me what those elections for which we took part in May were?



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W3 BHA said:

What a load of bolleaux. I didn't vote leave because of the politicians - I voted leave because the EU is so corrupt they have never submitted a set of properly audited accounts, because of the CAP which was biased against our own farmers, because of the the wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains, and so on, because of being 'represented' in Europe by non elected people, because of the expense scandals and so on a so on. How arrogant to say that MP's supporting Leave are following their own agenda when those in favour of Remain are also following their own agenda. The referendum result was in favour of Leave - they should stop following their own agendas and follow the result.

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GT49er said:

Absolutely. This is one of the weaknesses of the remain campaign, and the remainers' argument. Although they are, by their own definition, more intelligent than those who voted leave, they cannot get their heads around the fact that people voted leave simply because they didn't want to remain (or be in in the first place) the EU. They didn't vote leave because of any crap (or lies) the leave campaign might have thrown at them, nor were they influenced by any crap (or lies - or just plain ineptitude) the remain campaign churned out.

To put it in simple terms, that even the more intelligent can understand, 17 million people didn't vote to leave because of the leave campaign. The result may have caused consternation, dismay and even panic amongst the Westminster 'elite', but now they have a duty to do, however much they might hate it.

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W3 BHA said:

What a load of bolleaux. I didn't vote leave because of the politicians - I voted leave because the EU is so corrupt they have never submitted a set of properly audited accounts, because of the CAP which was biased against our own farmers, because of the the wine lakes, the beef mountains, the butter mountains, and so on, because of being 'represented' in Europe by non elected people, because of the expense scandals and so on a so on. How arrogant to say that MP's supporting Leave are following their own agenda when those in favour of Remain are also following their own agenda. The referendum result was in favour of Leave - they should stop following their own agendas and follow the result.

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Raleigh Chopper said:

Oh my god, case closed m'lud.
Not a bloody clue about anything this is exactly why the general public should never have been allowed to vote.
I told you they were all thick.

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Raleigh Chopper said:

Oh my god, case closed m'lud.
Not a bloody clue about anything this is exactly why the general public should never have been allowed to vote.
I told you they were all thick.

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bashlsdir said:

How does calling people thick expect to win some of you remainers any support?

Personally I hope we leave with NO DEAL. Our vote would have been respected, we can leave the EU and move on.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

And precisely where are we moving to, my friend? This is the language of someone locked inside a dysfunctional marriage, What folk like you fail to realise is that


a) we cannot simply extract ourselves on a clean break basis (we can't just walk out of the house) - we must have some kind of on-going relationship; we'll have 'obligations' (think of the children)

b) the costs are horrendous (think of what you'll be paying to your lawyer and that your former spouse will have you over a barrel - after you are the one that tried to play away)

c) we've got nowhere else to go (we don't exactly have a queue of stunners awaiting our release from a loveless marriage)

In terms of a divorce settlement, we'll end up sleeping in the back of our car. So 'personally' I hope that if we leave with a NO DEAL (your capitals) I hope that you will suffer disproportionately as.(literally) you were gagging for it.
Equally (let's be fair here) I hope that if it turns out wonderfully, you should get a better than average share of the benefits (and good luck with that).

And are we not overdue for one of your cheery good news Brexit items about job creation - eg local newsagent in Bromsqrove takes on 2 new paper-boys?

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

And precisely where are we moving to, my friend? This is the language of someone locked inside a dysfunctional marriage, What folk like you fail to realise is that


a) we cannot simply extract ourselves on a clean break basis (we can't just walk out of the house) - we must have some kind of on-going relationship; we'll have 'obligations' (think of the children)

b) the costs are horrendous (think of what you'll be paying to your lawyer and that your former spouse will have you over a barrel - after you are the one that tried to play away)

c) we've got nowhere else to go (we don't exactly have a queue of stunners awaiting our release from a loveless marriage)

In terms of a divorce settlement, we'll end up sleeping in the back of our car. So 'personally' I hope that if we leave with a NO DEAL (your capitals) I hope that you will suffer disproportionately as.(literally) you were gagging for it.
Equally (let's be fair here) I hope that if it turns out wonderfully, you should get a better than average share of the benefits (and good luck with that).

And are we not overdue for one of your cheery good news Brexit items about job creation - eg local newsagent in Bromsqrove takes on 2 new paper-boys?

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GT49er said:

Sorry to disillusion you, and burst your bubble and all that, but no, actually it isn't. Really it isn't.

It may be the biggest crisis our Westminster politicians have had - it must have been a real shock - and still a source of baffled outrage to them - to find that they had totally lost the faith of the majority of the UK voters, who fundamentally disagreed with their fundamental beliefs and didn't support the EU.

N.B. For anybody who feels compelled to burst in with an instant repost, by 'voters' I am referring to people who voted; those who abstained, by their actions (or inactions) tacitly accept the result. That is the essence of what not voting means.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

''''the costs are horrendous (think of what you'll be paying to your lawyer and that your former spouse will have you over a barrel - after you are the one that tried to play away)

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Westdene Seagull said:

Alternatively, she's been messing around with 27 others. We've tried for the sake of the children to come to a compromise agreement but it's weighted very much in her favour. So we've decided to leave regardless as we have too much respect for ourselves to stay in a loveless, one sided marriage.

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