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[Albion] Last night's officials

Last night's officials. Is it......

  • Conspiracy

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Subconscious bias

    Votes: 61 77.2%

  • Much ado about nothing. They were good.

    Votes: 17 21.5%
  • Total voters
    79


Seagull58

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,254
Vilamoura, Portugal
Is it
1. A conspiracy by EPL officials to favour Manchester United over a "team like Brighton"?
2. Subconscious bias towards United, fed and watered by Maguire and his teammates pressurising the ref while the crowd howls in the background?
3. Much ado about nothing; the red card for Dunk was correct, MacAllister wasn't fouled before the second goal, Fernandez was fouled and it was only right to let them take it quickly?
 






Rookie

Rookie

Greetings
Feb 8, 2005
12,070
They were just poor. no conspiracy, just poor
 




BNthree

BNthree

Plastic JCL
Sep 14, 2016
10,897
WeHo
With most things I usually suspect incompetency over malicious intent. Same for the ref last night.

Can accept the red though don't agree but pissed off Shaw or Mctomlinson didn't get 2 yellows. Just crap inconsistency and deferring to the big team making lots of noise.
 




zefarelly

zefarelly

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
21,821
Sussex, by the sea
Officiating in the PL is bang average at best.

discussed agreed and confirmed ad nauseum every other game
 










GT49er

GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,738
Gloucester
No plot or conspiracy - just a weak referee and a VAR who wanted to re-referee the match instead of only intervening when he should.
 


dadams2k11

dadams2k11

ID10T Error
Jun 24, 2011
4,947
Brighton
BN41Albion said:
Lol at those saying subconscious bias. The last few years every team has been ****ed over/benefitted from var one way or another. In 2019/20 overall we benefitted the most from VAR decisions - we're hardly a big player in the PL

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2021-22
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This.

I don't buy into the refs are corrupt and favour the big teams.

Refs are human and will make mistakes in the split second they have to make a decision.

I read it on plenty of other (lower) teams forums and it makes me chuckle.
 




H

Hotchilidog

Well-known member
Jan 24, 2009
8,700
Not a conspiracy, but I do think that subconscious bias comes into it. To be honest I think the standard of officiating is pretty poor in the PL right now and that use and misuse of VAR has made it all too apparent.
 


M

mothy

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2012
2,104
I watched it on TV. Mostly sobre. The only error was var to call the decision a clear & obvious error
 


Seagull58

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
7,254
Vilamoura, Portugal
mothy said:
I watched it on TV. Mostly sobre. The only error was var to call the decision a clear & obvious error
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No foul on Ali Mac before their second? No second yellow for Shaw? No second yellow for McTominey? Quite right to allow the quick free kick for their second after preventing us taking one earlier?
 




jcdenton08

jcdenton08

Enemy of the People
NSC Patron
Oct 17, 2008
10,697
No problems with the refereeing. It wasn't a foul on Ali Mac for their second, he slipped - I've watched it multiple times. He then grabs the ball to both try and persuade the referee but also prevent a quick freekick. The freekick was then taken from the exact point of the handball, allowing a quick freekick. Our quick freekick a few minutes earlier had been taken about 15 yards away from the correct position, with the ref having his back turned running the diagonal.

McTominay was edging the line towards the end but there was no single foul or incident which was enough for a second yellow.

Overall I thought he had a good game. The refs didn't cost us the game, our wasteful finishing and a dreadful first 5 minutes of the second half did.
 


Ooh it’s a corner

Ooh it’s a corner

Well-known member
Aug 28, 2016
4,886
Nr. Coventry
Dermot Gallagher shows what an eejit he is though. He fully backs the red card and VAR. He several times mentions how the VAR ref has really helped Stuart Attwell come to his decision. That may well be true but as the pitch ref was Peter Bankes I’m not sure Attwell’s view is particularly relevant! Tw*t!!
 


Stato

Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,584
BN41Albion said:
Lol at those saying subconscious bias. The last few years every team has been ****ed over/benefitted from var one way or another. In 2019/20 overall we benefitted the most from VAR decisions - we're hardly a big player in the PL

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2021-22
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The question posed was about the officials, not specifically VAR. If we accept that VAR was brought in to correct decisions, what you reference actually just shows which teams were the victim of the most incorrect on field decisions. There is certainly evidence of refereeing bias towards more successful teams. Here's a study from Norway published in 2020: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspor.2020.00019/full The study doesn't draw conclusions about motivation, but does talk about the pressure that home fans and the prestige of the bigger clubs puts upon those officiating.

Other than last night, off the top of my head, in recent games against United, I can remember:

Maguire's foul on Welbeck away last season;
Bong being fouled by Lukaku;
Maguire fouling Connolly twice at home in the 2-3. One over-turned, one not given;
Maguire's two handed foul on Dunk on the og in that game;
Unaccounted for additional time after our equaliser in the same game.

All contentious decisions that went their way. It may be my blue and white striped resentment, but I can't remember anything similar that went our way.
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,957
Crawley
BN41Albion said:
Lol at those saying subconscious bias. The last few years every team has been ****ed over/benefitted from var one way or another. In 2019/20 overall we benefitted the most from VAR decisions - we're hardly a big player in the PL

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2021-22
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It isn't as straightforward as simply counting the overturns, and saying you benefitted from VAR most or least. And if the bias exists in the on pitch ref, you would expect VAR to give teams like us more any way. Things like offsides where the linesman doesn't flag because it's close have VAR deciding instead, whereas in the past the linesman may well have flagged, and I saw one of these where they claimed someone had benefitted from a free kick decision that VAR gave, when the ref had given a penalty!
 




Stato

Stato

Well-known member
Dec 21, 2011
6,584
Lets play Dermot Gallagher spot the difference:


On field decision in favour of United:
"VAR can't intervene because (of it) being a subjective decision": https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12266495/ref-watch-sympathy-for-dean-at-old-trafford

On field decision in favour of Brighton:
"Has an obvious goalscoring opportunity been denied? That depends on whether you consider Webster is coming across."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...g-to-intervene-and-send-off-brighton-defender

Of course all he ever does is back up whatever decisions were made by his former cronies, but I'd like to see him put on the spot and hear the weasel words he would use to explain how 'depends on whether you consider' is not subjective... and if it is, why VAR can now intervene when it couldn't last season.
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,957
Crawley
Only Ref I ever suspected of having taken a bribe was Phil Prosser. I just thought last night he was a bit weak with McTominay and should have given him a card sooner for persistent fouling, and maybe was swayed by the game being at Old Trafford and tantrums from Utd players more than his second look at things to give Dunk a red.
 


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