[Albion] So, was it a red?

B-right-on · Feb 15, 2022

VAR stepped in to point out a 'clear and obvious error'.

So, was it a clear and obvious error deserving the yellow to be turned over and a red issued for The Dunk?

One Love · Feb 15, 2022

Looking at the replay, it's not a 100% foul by Dunk anyway. Elanga feels the arm on him and falls over.

Webster is definitely close enough for there to be huge doubt that he was free on goal.

kevo · Feb 15, 2022

B-right-on said:
VAR stepped in to point out a 'clear and obvious error'.

So, was it a clear and obvious error deserving the yellow to be turned over and a red issued for The Dunk?

That's the point, isn't it? The fact it might have been a red is debatable. But one thing that is absolutely CERTAIN is that it was NOT a 'clear and obvious error'.

Stockley Park can go **** themselves. This isn't what VAR is for,.

GT49er · Feb 15, 2022

Yes, the records will show that it was. The question is not whether it was a red or not - the fact is it was borderline red/yellow - but whether there was enough 'clear and obvious' for the prat at Stockley Park to decide, 'Ooh goody, I've got a chance to be important here'.

There wasn't enough 'clear and obvious' - the on-field decision (right or wrong) should have stood.

Weststander · Feb 15, 2022

A real 50:50 call on whether Webster would’ve got there first.

So no, with blue tinted specs.

(But I wish Dunk had just cleared it upfield a second earlier. Such a dangerous place when being pressed. Half asleep).

Berty23 · Feb 15, 2022

No chance that should be overturned. Webster probably would have got there first. To argue he definitely wouldn’t is clearly wrong.

Jimmy Grimble · Feb 15, 2022

Weststander said:
A real 50:50 call on whether Webster would’ve got there first.

So no, with blue tinted specs.

(But I wish Dunk had just cleared it upfield a second earlier. Such a dangerous place when being pressed. Half asleep).

I think it was 50:50 too, so by that reckoning it’s not a clear goal scoring opportunity, right? Or am I misinterpreting this law?

paulfuzz · Feb 16, 2022

It was against Manure at Old Trafford....... Dunk was clumsy and Elanga was clever, I reckon he would have got a shot off but Webster would have closed off part of the goal, so was it a goal scoring opportunity?? possibly is that enough for a red??
VAR said yes..............of course!!

London Irish · Feb 16, 2022

If ref had given red straight away, I’d have accepted it. But it wasn’t a clear and obvious error to give yellow, so Dunk should have stayed on the pitch

Easy 10 · Feb 16, 2022

If you're going to send someone off and ruin a game, then the decision needs to be based on something definite.

With Webster in the equation, and looking favourite to intercept, that decision was based purely on conjecture. There's no way on earth the pleb at Stockley Park could say for certain Elanga was in on goal - the ball had gone.

It was a sickening intervention that should never have happened. Utterly pathetic from the officials all round, and I guarantee if it was up the other end with Maguire, 100% the yellow would have stood. No two ways about it. We got mugged.

kevo · Feb 16, 2022

GT49er said:
Yes, the records will show that it was. The question is not whether it was a red or not - the fact is it was borderline red/yellow - but whether there was enough 'clear and obvious' for the prat at Stockley Park to decide, 'Ooh goody, I've got a chance to be important here'.

There wasn't enough 'clear and obvious' - the on-field decision (right or wrong) should have stood.

Escatly.

Mental Lental · Feb 16, 2022

London Irish said:
If ref had given red straight away, I’d have accepted it. But it wasn’t a clear and obvious error to give yellow, so Dunk should have stayed on the pitch

So we got shafted twice here:

1. It has to be a "clear cut goal scoring opportunity" for it to be a red (it wasn't).

2. For VAR to overturn the ref's decision said ref has to have made "a clear and obvious error" (he hadn't).

hart's shirt · Feb 16, 2022

In real time, I thought it was a red. I was simultaneously surprised, relieved and pleased when the yellow came out.

But as others have said, it wasn't clear and obvious that the referee's on-field decision was wrong.

Thus it should have remained a yellow.

Easy 10 · Feb 16, 2022

Who the f*ck are these (currently) 5 banjo's who ACTUALLY think that this was a straight red ?

Are the dribbling semi-conscious hemispherectomy DILBERTS from the BBS away end flocking onto this poll or something ?

Christ up a stick.

GT49er · Feb 16, 2022

London Irish said:
If ref had given red straight away, I’d have accepted it. But it wasn’t a clear and obvious error to give yellow, so Dunk should have stayed on the pitch

Exactly. If the ref. had given a red, it wouldn't have been appropriate for VAR to poke its nose in (although obviously as a Brighton fan I'd have loved it if the VAR had overturned it). But that's not what VAR should be about.
VAR should be about 'For f*cks sake mate, how did you give/not give that?' Not for, 'hmmm .. that could've gone either way'.

GT49er · Feb 16, 2022

Easy 10 said:
Who the f*ck are these (currently) 5 banjo's who ACTUALLY think that this was a straight red ?

Are the dribbling semi-conscious hemispherectomy DILBERTS from the BBS away end flocking onto this poll or something ?

Christ up a stick.

They know more about football than Potter does mate. We should be giving 'em more respect, eh? :facepalm:

Eeyore · Feb 16, 2022

It was a red.

And I rather think that had the foul be reversed there might be a few threads that needed merging. 'United always get it their way' etc.

He would have been through for a clear shot. Webster was unlikely to get there in time.

I'm a banjo.

Eeyore · Feb 16, 2022

paulfuzz said:
It was against Manure at Old Trafford....... Dunk was clumsy and Elanga was clever, I reckon he would have got a shot off but Webster would have closed off part of the goal, so was it a goal scoring opportunity?? possibly is that enough for a red??
VAR said yes..............of course!!

That makes it a goal scoring opportunity.

Easy 10 · Feb 16, 2022

GT49er said:
They know more about football than Potter does mate. We should be giving 'em more respect, eh?

Well I've not delved into their tragic, gruesome little cess-pool for some considerable time now. But they do routinely consider that they are spewing from the fountain of all knowledge, despite the fact that tragically they barely have 6 braincells between them to rub together. Say anything on there and its generally met with "Lewis Dunk is a sex offender", etc etc, which kind of indicates their true level.

They don't even know that they are filth. But on a lighter note - thats not our problem

Easy 10 · Feb 16, 2022

Brighton Lines said:
That makes it a goal scoring opportunity.

But not a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Bloody hell, if Bissouma winds up for a shot then people in Row L are shielding their hot dogs.

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