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    Brilliant news.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-59727161

    There should be no statues of slavers in Britain.
    Iím sure Germany has not kept itís Nazi statutes, this is not about brushing history under the carpet, itís about not having offensive imagery in peopleís faces. Those wishing to admire the statue can do so now itís in itís rightful place with other history; the museum (not the bottom of the estuary).

    A lesson to local government; if you keep ignoring the people and brushing stuff under the carpet, eventually theyíll take matters into their own hands.

    Bravo to the four even if they didnít do it.

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      Mr Willoughby argued the statue was an "insult".

      Appearing in the dock, he said: "Imagine having a Hitler statue in front of a Holocaust survivor - I believe they are similar.

      "Having a statue of someone of that calibre in the middle of the city I believe is an insult, and I will continue to believe that whatever the outcome of this."
      Whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, that is a rubbish analogy - Bristol is not entirely populated by the descendants of slaves.

      We need to be reminded of our past, and reminded that what is considered to be obviously wrong now might not necessarily have been considered so in days gone past. If we forget that people can treat other people as a commodity without thought then there is a danger it will happen again.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Curious Orange View Post
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      Whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, that is a rubbish analogy - Bristol is not not entirely populated by the descendants of slaves.

      We need to be reminded of our past, and reminded that what is considered to be obviously wrong now might not necessarily have been considered so in days gone past. If we forget that people can treat other people as a commodity without thought then there is a danger it will happen again.
      Second this with sprinkles on top !
      I just love the East Upper !!
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      I personally can't see the difference being this statue being pulled down and the same happening to statues of Stalin and Saddam Hussein
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      Whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, that is a rubbish analogy - Bristol is not not entirely populated by the descendants of slaves.

      We need to be reminded of our past, and reminded that what is considered to be obviously wrong now might not necessarily have been considered so in days gone past. If we forget that people can treat other people as a commodity without thought then there is a danger it will happen again.
      Not really.

      You wouldn't say it;s OK to have a statue of Hitler in a town...well anywhere really. But even less in a town where there are a good number of descendents of Holocaust survivors. Even if not everybody is in that category.

      And it's been a central request of the campaigners that children are taught more about the UK's history and involvement in the slave trade. Not having a statue up glorifying one of the traders is not the same as forgetting about it. Quite the opposite.

      And finally, the slave trade was justified by those involved, based on lies and myths, but a LOT of people did not accept it as OK when it was happening. It carried on because money talked, not because everyone thought it was fine.
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      Whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, that is a rubbish analogy - Bristol is not not entirely populated by the descendants of slaves.

      We need to be reminded of our past, and reminded that what is considered to be obviously wrong now might not necessarily have been considered so in days gone past. If we forget that people can treat other people as a commodity without thought then there is a danger it will happen again.
      Thatís why museums and libraries exist, not a statue in the middle of town. The Bristolians has asked for it to be moved several times.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Curious Orange View Post
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      Whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, that is a rubbish analogy - Bristol is not not entirely populated by the descendants of slaves.

      We need to be reminded of our past, and reminded that what is considered to be obviously wrong now might not necessarily have been considered so in days gone past. If we forget that people can treat other people as a commodity without thought then there is a danger it will happen again.
      Woke judge disagrees with you, so is the Enemy of the People
      I also disagree with you -- there's only so many statues that can be erected, so some churn should be inevitable by that logic -- but welcome that you're aware of the distinction between history and the past
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      And before someone pops along to bitch about the outrage of people trying to rewrite history....they weren't. They were binning a statue they had repeatedly asked to have consigned, with damned good reason, to a museum.
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      Whatever the rights and wrongs of the case, that is a rubbish analogy - Bristol is not not entirely populated by the descendants of slaves.

      We need to be reminded of our past, and reminded that what is considered to be obviously wrong now might not necessarily have been considered so in days gone past. If we forget that people can treat other people as a commodity without thought then there is a danger it will happen again.
      So what you're saying is we need more statues of bad stuff to remind us bad stuff might happen if we're not reminded of the bad stuff enough?

      Okaaaaay......

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