[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

The Clamp said:

Why are you acting like you used to? You stopped all this crap for ages. Now you’re back with a vengeance. Why did you bother coming on this thread? You have contributed nothing except weird, stalker posts and completely off topic waffle.
It’s not my place to tell you to go away but, go away.

My questions don’t need answering. I’m not giving you the binfest you are so clearly hankering after. Surprised you haven’t been chucked off the thread yet.

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birthofanorange said:

Probably not, but if you're having to replace your First X1 with Under 18's, I think you'll struggle a hell of a lot more.

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Bold Seagull said:

Why on earth does it take until October to elect a new leader of a political party? Just get it done, end of July tops is plenty of time.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

I am surprised to hear that he's not going to stand. One can only assume that Raab genuinely supports Johnson and considers this affiliation to be an impediment to any personal ambitions he may have.

The silly man.

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Scappa said:

Using that analogy, the 1st XI were getting this country relegated anyway, so why not blood some youngsters?

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CHAPPERS said:

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TomandJerry said:

Elmet and Rothwell MP [MENTION=37822]alec[/MENTION]Shelbrooke says he will be backing Foreign Secretary Liz Truss to be the next PM and Tory leader.

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Seagull27 said:

I see what you're saying, and a good speaker with bad intentions can lead to very bad outcomes if the masses take it in - see Hitler or Farage - although good vs bad is of course subjective.

Perhaps "good" is the wrong choice of word, but it's certainly important for an effective leader.

It's not just the public you need to win over though and having charisma will help in negotiations internationally and locally. I'll stress that if it's all you've got, like Boris, then you'll quickly get found out.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Get over yourself.

You wanted to make a point that Johnson saved us all from Putin. I say that's nonsense. .

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CHAPPERS said:

The one that has just flown home from a huge G20 summit? That Liz Truss? She’s abandoned her post ffs

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CHAPPERS said:

The one that has just flown home from a huge G20 summit? That Liz Truss? She’s abandoned her post ffs

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Icy Gull said:

I saw this and thought I'd pop back to post it

My point was that the Russians disliked him above all other World leaders, not that he saved us from anyone, seems he gave some hope to the beleaguered Ukranians too.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...sedgntp&cvid=d8052e9babee40599e6b3f45fdf9dbb5

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Shooting Star said:

Given the general political leanings of NSC, a separate thread for those who voted for Boris in 2019 would be a far more interesting read for me, as I'm sure the majority on this one despised Boris from the start.

I am one of those who voted for Boris in 2019. For me, it's a regrettable hour. At the end of the day his character, which the public already knew when they voted him in with an enormous majority 2.5 years ago, has been his downfall. However, most of the mistakes he's made have been in conjunction with the failings of others in the Conservative Party - Cummings, those in Downing Street, Paterson, Pincher. Of course, many of those he employed himself, but others were MPs, voted in by the British public. It reminds me a bit of Manchester United under Ole last season. Yes Ole and the board were ultimately to blame for United's poor performance, but the players have just as much culpability.

The Conservative Party is a mess and whilst the responsibility ultimately lies at Boris' feet for it as leader, I can't see it magically recovering under a new leader as the rest of the party have acted just as abhorrently. Nadhim Zahawi exemplifies this. Who on earth, in any other sphere or job in life, would accept a job from their boss and the next day tell their boss to resign? That's less integrity right there than the man they're claiming to have none! The last two Conservative PM's have been forced to resign, which tells you the viperous state of the party.

Like United, I can't see Boris' successor turning things around. I think I would have preferred a General Election than a leadership contest. Anyone but Rishi for the Conservatives would leave me in a serious quandary if there was an election tomorrow. If Labour actually had some policies I'd be tempted to vote for Keir as I don't mind him as an individual, however much I currently dislike the rest of his party.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

OK, fine. Putin doesn't like Johnson. Zelenskiy likes Johnson. I still disagree with you that if this means Johnson did something right it confers an ounce of virtue on him, or mitigates against the assessment that he's one of our worst ever PMs.

As I said before, it is possible to heap praise on anyone. But is it right to do so?

You and I clearly differ in our views. Here's another man who had praise heaped upon him:

https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity...m-for-charity-and-left-another-5m-in-his-will

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CHAPPERS said:

The one that has just flown home from a huge G20 summit? That Liz Truss? She’s abandoned her post ffs

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