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[Other Sport] Cameron Norrie



Randy McNob

Randy McNob

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Won Indian Wells which is considered the unofficial '5th slam' and he is now ranked in the top 20

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hans kraay fan club

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Saw that. Many congratulations to the guy. Great achievement.

Really shit trophy, mind.
 






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A victory for South African tennis, not to mention New Zealand, a country where he has nationality. Virginia Wade and Jacinda Arden must be thrilled.

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Dick Swiveller

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Very strange that most of our recent tennis players who are any good have some non British background. Cameron clearly British parents but lived abroad. Radacanu and Laura Robson moved here when young. Kyle Edmund from SA. Konta from Australia with Hungarian parents. All of the components for someone born and trained in Britain are there between the named players but all have some connection abroad. A few of them came through the system here so the system works. Some have British parents so heritage isn't the issue. Just a bit strange.
 




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Dick Swiveller said:
Very strange that most of our recent tennis players who are any good have some non British background. Cameron clearly British parents but lived abroad. Radacanu and Laura Robson moved here when young. Kyle Edmund from SA. Konta from Australia with Hungarian parents. All of the components for someone born and trained in Britain are there between the named players but all have some connection abroad. A few of them came through the system here so the system works. Some have British parents so heritage isn't the issue. Just a bit strange.
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Why is it strange? What is the actual point of your post?
 




Kalimantan Gull

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Dick Swiveller said:
Very strange that most of our recent tennis players who are any good have some non British background. Cameron clearly British parents but lived abroad. Radacanu and Laura Robson moved here when young. Kyle Edmund from SA. Konta from Australia with Hungarian parents. All of the components for someone born and trained in Britain are there between the named players but all have some connection abroad. A few of them came through the system here so the system works. Some have British parents so heritage isn't the issue. Just a bit strange.
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And Baltacha, and Keothavong, and others I'm sure.

I've had much the same thought as you, it's obvious on opening this thread that someone will pipe up with the 'he's not really British' line, and it only took a few posts for that comment to appear. It's irrelevant, because tennis players compete for themselves, not their country (outside of a couple of team tournaments) and anyone can support anyone they want to, and it's rather snide as it implies that they're not really worthy of our support unlike a 'true brit' would be. But the first thing that comes to my mind is 'why', why do people with this mixed heritage and residency do so well compared to 100% born and raised brits, or at least why do they manage to find the extra 1% needed to get to the very top of the sport.

Could be the extra pressures, the higher standards, placed on them throughout their life that we know all outsiders face in this country (in any country), leading to higher determination to succeed. Could be that people moving around the world a lot at a younger age mature quicker, get used to coping with different situations when young. Could be they're more isolated and thus get more time and focus to train. Could be that different cultural approaches from their family and coaches are more effective or push them harder. Could be the British way isn't effective at producing champions. Who knows, but interesting to consider.
 


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Dick Swiveller said:
Very strange that most of our recent tennis players who are any good have some non British background. Cameron clearly British parents but lived abroad. Radacanu and Laura Robson moved here when young. Kyle Edmund from SA. Konta from Australia with Hungarian parents. All of the components for someone born and trained in Britain are there between the named players but all have some connection abroad. A few of them came through the system here so the system works. Some have British parents so heritage isn't the issue. Just a bit strange.
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Damn foreigners coming and stealing your air-golf glory.
 


Randy McNob

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Kalimantan Gull said:
And Baltacha, and Keothavong, and others I'm sure.

I've had much the same thought as you, it's obvious on opening this thread that someone will pipe up with the 'he's not really British' line, and it only took a few posts for that comment to appear. It's irrelevant, because tennis players compete for themselves, not their country (outside of a couple of team tournaments) and anyone can support anyone they want to, and it's rather snide as it implies that they're not really worthy of our support unlike a 'true brit' would be. But the first thing that comes to my mind is 'why', why do people with this mixed heritage and residency do so well compared to 100% born and raised brits, or at least why do they manage to find the extra 1% needed to get to the very top of the sport.

Could be the extra pressures, the higher standards, placed on them throughout their life that we know all outsiders face in this country (in any country), leading to higher determination to succeed. Could be that people moving around the world a lot at a younger age mature quicker, get used to coping with different situations when young. Could be they're more isolated and thus get more time and focus to train. Could be that different cultural approaches from their family and coaches are more effective or push them harder. Could be the British way isn't effective at producing champions. Who knows, but interesting to consider.
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definately a more recent phenomenon, I don't recall the same treatment of Greg Rusedski for example
 






Dick Swiveller

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SockMonster said:
Why is it strange? What is the actual point of your post?
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Why is it not strange? If kids moving here from an early age can become top players and kids born abroad to British parents can become top players, why are there so few top tennis players born and trained in Britain? It used to be that our training was poor so players like Murray had to train abroad but given Radacanu came through the British system from an early age, that doesn't seem to be the issue any more. So do you not find it interesting that nearly all the new breakthrough players either have foreign parentage and qualify through residency from an early age or are born abroad to British parents?
 


Cowfold Seagull

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maltaseagull said:
I wonder if he will be "loaned" designer clothes, jewellery and invited to numerous events where the rich and famous go?
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Well from the pic it looks as if he may already be wearing a designer watch, so no need for a new Rolex! :smile:

Joking apart it may just be cheap tat, you can't tell nowadays.
 




Cowfold Seagull

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Dick Swiveller said:
Why is it not strange? If kids moving here from an early age can become top players and kids born abroad to British parents can become top players, why are there so few top tennis players born and trained in Britain? It used to be that our training was poor so players like Murray had to train abroad but given Radacanu came through the British system from an early age, that doesn't seem to be the issue any more. So do you not find it interesting that nearly all the new breakthrough players either have foreign parentage and qualify through residency from an early age or are born abroad to British parents?
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Strange only to an extent perhaps. The one thing l will say is that it is often much easier to practice and play tennis, in the warmer climates of South Africa and Australia, where Cameron Norrie and Johanna Konta were originally from. Greg Rusedski another of our more successful players of recent years was originally Canadian, and played a lot of tennis in the United States in his formative years.

As a kid who the hell wants to be playing tennis in the middle of a British winter? Very few l feel sure.
 




Pavilionaire

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Congratulations to Cameron Norrie, it's all coming together very quickly for him.
 


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Been on a slow and reasonably quiet (while the media attention has largely been on Murray, Evans and now Raducanu) upward trajectory for a while, he probably won't be competing regularly with the very best like Murray was but looks a quality player who could well establish himself top 10 if things go right.
 




Cowfold Seagull

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A1X said:
Been on a slow and reasonably quiet (while the media attention has largely been on Murray, Evans and now Raducanu) upward trajectory for a while, he probably won't be competing regularly with the very best like Murray was but looks a quality player who could well establish himself top 10 if things go right.
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Agreed, hardly an overnight sensation like Emma Raducanu, he has been around for a few years now, and as you say, has been very much under the radar during Andy Murray's best years.

Let's all hope that he can build on this. To be quite frank though, and without wishing to burst his bubble in any way at all, l have higher hopes for young Emma in the long term.
 


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